Wyld: any chance of just releasing the ngt pack then?
tnx for the heads up & ofc all your work.Expect an announcement from Slow "real soon now".
In my case, it's god damn 3am and I've been working on this since 5am. I'm going to bed. You can expect I'll be working on something tomorrow though.
All I have to say is how stupid greg was to NERF WOOD. Why would you nerf a VANILLA MECHANIC. Greg has gone off limits and should either re-balance his mod to be back to normal, or just get completely discontinued for this dumbass move. I used to love this mod, but no the mod has gone overboard. Piss off gregWell, I can already tell that this thread won't end well...
I'll kick it off with my short opinion on what I understand about the GT VS TC thing, for people who don't know what it's about.
EDIT: Just to clarify, this is what I've understood from the situation. I might be completely wrong, and if I am, feel free to tell me so that I can put my facts in order.
1) Greg nerfs wood. He makes it so that logs only give you two planks. This is changeable in configs, but it's pretty odd. It affects basically every mod and vanilla because of how the tech trees are laid out, and it doesn't make the game hard, it just requires you to cut down twice as many trees. I don't agree with this change because it basically breaks the balance of every mod in FTB.
2) Mdyo decides to un-nerf wood. Bearing in mind that he's basically doing what Greg did to every other mod, but it's a de-nerf not a nerf. It was childish, but justified. I don't know enough about how much communication goes on between them to comment on this more.
3) Greg decides to make his mod CRASH YOUR GAME if it detects Tinker's Contruct installed.
This is... ridiculous.
Not only are his actions bordering on malware, distributing software specifically designed to cause crashes, I consider it an abuse of trust.
Personally, if Greg wants us to choose between TC and GT, I'm going for Tinker's.
Up until now I've been a defender of GT ("they have configs", "I like the content, not the nerfs") but I'm completely shocked that he would be this childish. It's a sort of escalation that should never have happened, and it's gotten out of hand.
So there you have my point of view. I'm personally not going to be using GT any more until these issues are adressed, because I get the feeling Greg is just trying to see how far he can go before we've had enough.
Feel free to disagree with me though.
All I have to say is how stupid greg was to NERF WOOD. Why would you nerf a VANILLA MECHANIC. Greg has gone off limits and should either re-balance his mod to be back to normal, or just get completely discontinued for this dumbass move. I used to love this mod, but no the mod has gone overboard. Piss off greg
mDiyo shouldn't be apologizing for anything, at all.
This is, from my perspective, an observable pattern of behavior from Greg and one that should not be tolerated by the folks who put together the FTB packs. Greg has violated the trust of users to engage in personal attacks against other modders. Tolerating this type of behavior does nothing but encourage more of the same in the future.
As the GT fans say, using his mod is optional, so I think it'd be prudent to remove ti entirely from any and every iteration of FTB from this point forward and if those who like the mod wish to install it, go for it. This mod pack and this community are much better off with childish, game crashing antics. It's despicable, childish behavior and I hope the crew here sees it for exactly that.
Mods were incompatible by concept, so GT terminates itself to notify player.
This is a truly idiotic claim. Conflicting recipes are not incompatible. The only incompatibility, absolutely the only incompatibility was in Greg's mind.
Since you're basing it on an invalid premise, the rest of your message is also invalid.
Ah yes, but as the creator of the mod, it's his call what's compatible or not..... and not yours
WRONG. The game is not his. The game is the users. Period.
Ah yes, but as the creator of the mod, it's his call what's compatible or not..... and not yours
You do know that the GT packs are the most played ones though? I'm not sure if rage-kicking GT out is the right decision for FTB. best decision would be to just discuss it with greg and try to get a solution. OUTSIDE of pointless forum threads.
Again a gentle reminder that greg changes recipes of three mods outside vanilla and IC2 and all these are rather minor at that. All the other hardmode recipes using GT stuff or generally being expensive are added by the original mod authors.
Two problems with that. The wood un-nerf change never reached github and greg wasn't aware that TiC was OSS until after it was pointed out to him shortly before mDiyo removed his stuff.