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[lolpierandom]

In startup.. yes. Also gives you an error about the exception. It is a mod refusing to start.

No, it isn't refusing to start. It is crashing the whole game because greg feels like it.

It's not going "TiC is overriding recipe."
"Not loading Gregtech with overriden recipes"
"Please uninstall TiC to use Gregtech"

That would be childish, but not as bad as what he's done.

It's not required.

It's because he enjoys acting like a goddamn toddler.

 

[ChewingGumm]

Could anyone please briefly tell me whats going on?

 

[TheEpoch]

This thread is now pointless I think.
Everything that needed to be said has been said.
Thanks to mDiyo for dropping in and expressing his side of the story.
What we've all come to agree to is that GregTech and TConstruct did\do not play well together (at this stage...).
Its either one or the other.

'Night folks.

 

[Yosomith]

Could anyone please briefly tell me whats going on?

I don't think that's possible.

Greg was being an arse and crashed minecraft for a change mDiyo made (a fight over wood of all things) so now everyone is debating right and wrong of it

I think that sums it up

P.S. Mind you this is not the whole story, just my shortened interpretation of what has been written in this post

 

[lochlain]

As an End-user, I cannot be arsed to care of the tiffs and what ever happens behind the scenes. I want the product and when someone breaks the product, that worked just moments ago, I will be seriously annoyed and that annoyance will be affecting how I will be viewing the whole product chain from now on.

If there is someone who is suffering and can affect things it is the end user and we vote with out feet and in this case the one getting trampled on is FTB.

 

[DoctorOr]

?
You do realize that most, if not ALL mods change vanilla, right?

Please list vanilla recipes removed by any other mod in FTB 1.5.2

Not to mention that the wood nerf can be undone by using a sawmill.

Yes, that's clearly the reason for the change, nobody was making his sawmill. It also doesn't matter in the slightest.

 

[Bubbleo]

In my opinion, GregTech is one of the best mods out there. Yes there might be some negative things that comes with it, but think of all the things the mod adds to the game. Hours and hours of fun gameplay for the really hardcore tech fans.

All your missing in that post is you holding a pitchfork and torch.....Much of a gregtech fanboy??

 

[lolpierandom]

Please list vanilla recipes removed by any other mod in FTB 1.5.2



Yes, that's clearly the reason for the change, nobody was making his sawmill. It also doesn't matter in the slightest.

"Hm, instead of making my sawmill useful..."

"Why not just make every other option useless?"

 

[Jakeb]

This thread has gotten repetitive fairly quickly. At this point it's just two points being repeated over and over again in different forms by opposing sides.
Point from side 1: It's not okay to crash minecraft!!! *insert profanity here*
Point from side 2: Sure it is, we're okay with malware being on our computer!!! You're just a bunch of stupid *insert profanity here*!!!

 

[egor66]

All your missing in that post is you holding a pitchfork and torch.....Much of a gregtech fanboy??

there is never need to resort too this, that behavior name calling, insulting has no place here, leave that to the forums that are famous for it.

 

[Itaros]

This thread has gotten repetitive fairly quickly. At this point it's just two points being repeated over and over again in different forms by opposing sides.
Point from side 1: It's not okay to crash minecraft!!!
Point from side 2: Sure it is, we're okay with malware being on our computer!!!

And even you are biased towards "malware" concept.
I think theEpoch was right: Everything was already discussed here

 

[Jakeb]

And even you are biased towards "malware" concept.
I think theEpoch was right: Everything was already discussed here

I'm fairly sure that code that intentionally crashes a program is defined as malware, i'm not 100% sure though.

 

[dgdas9]

I've got a question.

Why did mDiyo reverse the GregTech plank nerf?
Thinking back to my time playing with T Construct, there was no use of wood anywhere in the mod except to make patterns.
I might be mistaken.

I'm in no way advocating Greg's response to crash the game.
Just a simple question.

It seems like people just can't understand...

Mdiyo reversed GTB's nerf because it was unbalenced . Please note that GTB nerfs things because he considers they are unballenced. mDyo did the same.

 

[Itaros]

I'm fairly sure that code that intentionally crashes a program is defined as malware, i'm not 100% sure though.

Crash is an exceptional state defined to terminate a program in a potential event of data loss or hardware damage. Mods were incompatible by concept, so GT terminates itself to notify player. No shady deal in a middle of gameplay. Malware is used to terminate program to make this damage instead.

And why Mdiyo cares about balance in another castle? Mod user can alter balance in a GT config: this was stated a 100 times in a whole thread.

 

[kaasknak]

I am a rather fan of the GregTech mod and until today hadn't heard of TC.

That being said.
I think making an unnerf was rather childish to say the least.
Deliberately crashing the game is a no at all times.

I am going to keep on using GregTech because I like the mod and I think it adds loads of fun and I hope this will not result in the boycot of GregTech.
But those things aren't meant to happen and shouldn't.

I am conflicted towards what should happen to resolve this.

 

[egor66]

I am a rather fan of the GregTech mod and until today hadn't heard of TC.

That being said.
I think making an unnerf was rather childish to say the least.
Deliberately crashing the game is a no at all times.

I am going to keep on using GregTech because I like the mod and I think it adds loads of fun and I hope this will not result in the boycot of GregTech.
But those things aren't meant to happen and shouldn't.

I am conflicted towards what should happen to resolve this.

we all are mate, maybe slow will comment at some point.

 

[Ragnoff]

Itaros - except that at first greg/GregTech lied and said the crash was due to TC code, not that this had been put in by GregTech. Did not admit it until his code was shown to be at fault.....

Edit: and Greg is proud of attacking end users because it is effective, in his own words: "I wanted it to be solved as soon as possible, and creating a giant mob of angry Players, and pointing them to the offender, is the most efficient way of doing so. Maybe not the most popular way, but the most efficient one. I might not get the award for the most credible Person on the World for that, but I never attempted to get it anyways."

Note that he considered other code, not his added crash, to be the "offender"

 

[Wyld]

No, this crash-on-startup version is not and will not be part of any Feed The Beast modpack. If it has been already, it's the pack developer's fault for releasing a faulty pack without checking the contents.

It's funny you know. I had an update for the 08 packs ready to rock. And then Greg fucked us all.

You all get fucked, because I won't release a pack that breaks.
I get fucked because I spend 14 hour days maintaining and building packs for you.

And Greg crows about this being some one else's fault?

 

[Jakeb]

Crash is an exceptional state defined to terminate a program in a potential event of data loss or hardware damage. Mods were incompatible by concept, so GT terminates itself to notify player. No shady deal in a middle of gameplay. Malware is used to terminate program to make this damage instead.

Regardless of the technical details and definitions, Greg intentionally crashed minecraft. That is my point, and it is the truth, regardless of personal opinions or technicalities regarding said point.
That being said, you do raise a good point. At least Greg didn't corrupt anyone's world saves, right?

 

[Greevir]

I am a rather fan of the GregTech mod and until today hadn't heard of TC.

That being said.
I think making an unnerf was rather childish to say the least.
Deliberately crashing the game is a no at all times.

I am going to keep on using GregTech because I like the mod and I think it adds loads of fun and I hope this will not result in the boycot of GregTech.
But those things aren't meant to happen and shouldn't.

I am conflicted towards what should happen to resolve this.

What should happen to resolve this? Well.... nothing. Nothing is going to resolve this. The code is removed from GregTech which means it will most likely still be in FTB packs. If people don't want to use it, they'll have to remove it themselves. I personally will never touch GregTech again since I can't trust him not to sneak in some code at some point that may corrupt a world or something.