I don't care about your friend, or this illusion that you have a case against a few members of the community, trying to better it.
If you're a rule abiding player you have nothing to worry about. Chances are this won't even affect you, unless it's making the server you're on a better place.[DOUBLEPOST=1357150879][/DOUBLEPOST]
Did he ask for one?
Okay, let me pick this apart.
First off, my supposed "anger venting" as you called it was my informing you that the system you are basing this crap on is broken and your constant condescending parroting of "If you're a rule abiding player you have nothing to worry about" doesn't hold any water with me or any other logical thinker on this rathole of a planet.
Second; I don't care what the hell you say you'll provide. To me, it's just as dangerous as mcbans is and judging by the company that this project keeps, ie; you. I'd say I have plenty to worry about when you call the worries that you should be expecting to get and the people that you are creating this mod to serve are irrelevant.
Lastly; I never said you had anything to do with it and I know you're not mcbans, child. The "circumstances" are what we call an arguement against your idea which you come to expect when you publicize this idea and when you address these comments by sticking your proverbial tail between your legs and wondering why no-one likes you, it makes us think that you and this project of yours are worthless.
I'm confident in saying this idea will go about as far as you will in the real world.
And they say the Joker's a bad guy.Going to have to agree with this.
I do not want someone so prone to pidgeonholing anywhere near a project such as this.
The project will reflect the person and be abused to hell and back.
Going to have to agree with this.
I do not want someone so prone to pidgeonholing anywhere near a project such as this.
The project will reflect the person and be abused to hell and back.
Celestialphoenix said:-Who's paying for that central server/bandwith?
-Who will be running that server and moderating the banlist/trusted server list?
-How do you/does your system plan to deal with the flood of ban appeals in an effective, efficient and fair way?
-How/who's moderating the ban appeals, and how will this cost be covered?
-How do you plan on notifying players on their (global?) ban status*?
-How do you plan to deal with multiple accounts/IPs (looking at team AVO vs MCBans)
Explanation
And they say the Joker's a bad guy.
I salute you, sir!
Once this is out, it's up to you whether you want to use it or not.
If you don't like me...that's fine, it's a completely valid reason not to use the service.
The developers who are working on this are happy to continue and are optimistic about the future and what is to come. It's something that's been a long time in the planning, and it's starting to come together nicely.
One thing that has come up a lot is McBans. I agree that it has a few faults, but in principle you can see what the developers wanted to do and where it went wrong.
The system would work if it wasn't so oversubscribed. A small group of servers could easily feed off the same ban list. One of the key features we are implementing is the ability to keep your ban lists small.
That way you only have to recieve bans from the servers you trust. They could have admins who you are friends with or people you have met along the way. There is no obligation to recieve information from servers who you deem unreliable. It's opt-in, not opt-out so you choose who you want to get info from, not who you don't.
Another issue with McBans is the good-will of the server staff. I personally think that not enough is done to validate and control the content that is being stored on McBans' systems. This can be linked to oversubscribtion but in the end without any real validation any fully automatic system can be flooded with spam. In McBans' case it's the number of immature staff on servers who unjustly ban players.
We will combat this in two ways.
We will make sure that every server is checked and validated. This includes the servers information being filled out with style of play, ambitions, among other fields. As well as a member of the moderation team verifying this information manually.
We will also verify all the staff on a server. Although a player may be opped, they will not be allowed to submit bans for the server unless they are approved by us. The approval process involves filling out information, and working through scenarios. They will ultimately have to be judged by a moderator, but I would imagine the pass rate to be high.
So these are some of the things we are doing, please remember that we aren't McBans with your posts.
If you have any questions or issues you can directly PM me if needed.
I'm glad you all have something to say and that you all feel there is something we can improve here.
I thought the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting it t turn out differently~.*bows*
The plus side to madness is not having to act consistantly.
I thought the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting it t turn out differently~.
Love you, Vaas~!
If there's one man who can be many things, it's you, Mr J~.That's one defintion amongst many.
If I must be something I prefer it to be multiple choice!If there's one man who can be many things, it's you, Mr J~.
I think it's realistic. There's nothing there that can't be achieved.WatcherInTheShadows said:But I will say, I much prefer rigid realism to optimism.
So don't use it. I'm not gonna argue with you, it is server opt in system, if you don't like it don't use it on your server or complain to the server you play on, But other then that your criticism has not been constructive and to continue arguing is a waste of both of our time, you are welcome to offer suggestions but to say I should give up on my project all together because you don't like it is something I simply don't have time for.Let me see if I've got this straight...
The difference between you and McBans is that you're mod based as opposed to plugin based, you can only recieve global bans from servers you trust with this "Opt-in" system. You also store chat, command and chunk logs to your server where "It will be available for the public to see."
Okay, this is what you have basically. It's Batman's Sonar Device from the Dark Knight with a user consent requirement. Say that servers take your mod and install it, not only is it erasing all privacy from people whether they like it or not -- And don't correct me by saying they have a choice, because they don't and I'll tell you why in a sec -- But it's also leaving them open to bans that they quite frankly don't deserve. It's simple to say they've been given the benefit of the doubt but I really don't think, and I wager you don't think it'll last very long once the spectacular number of ban appeals comes in and you're forced to make decisions you REALLY don't want to make.
As for their "choice" in the matter. Assuming I'm correct in saying you only enter this agreement by opting into the mod on your server, then server owners will make it their BUSINESS to make others opt in before they can play. Think I'm over exaggerating? You need to play more servers. It isn't a democracy to them. It's a dictatorship. But then you could argue that you could allow members to willingly opt in to the mod itself without the server middle man so that there's no forced hand. But oh wait -- There is. Assuming the mod itself won't have the option of autokicking those who aren't opted into the mod, they will do it themselves so that they have full control of their players.
I was never comfortable with the McBans system. I'm even less comfortable with this.
Sorry I have been out of town so let me reply, ignoring much of what this thread has become, the Central server will be managed the developers of the project, there will be little to no moderation by anyone in the global since. The only tool I intend on building in on my side is completely local to the server running my tool, as such I not any of our developers will be handling any ban appeals, This is going to be a ban aggregation system, my personal server will have a list that other server can subscribe to or they can not and subscribe to louiskw server or they could let others subscribe to there list instead, The idea is that servers can team up and trust each other and from that players can build a reputation. My intention of informing players is more or less left up to the server owners, via the mod config they can have it set up to kick them with a link to where they can appeal which will be handled by the server owner, this could be a forum,email or some other system that the list owner would like. I have no plan at this time in dealing with multiple account, this could be added later but it is not my current concern nor do I have a plan for this at the moment. let me know if I missed anything.So skimming over the last couple of posts, am I right in understanding
All the servers using your mod/plugin will constantly/regularly broadcast the movements and chatlog (including PM's?) of every player on a server, and that this data archive will be publicly available 24/7?
If this takes off, thats a LOT of data. (If this thing takes off you're looking at 100's of servers and 1000's of players.)
-Who's paying for that central server/bandwith?
-Who will be running that server and moderating the banlist/trusted server list?
-How do you/does your system plan to deal with the flood of ban appeals in an effective, efficient and fair way?
-How/who's moderating the ban appeals, and how will this cost be covered?
-How do you plan on notifying players on their (global?) ban status*?
-How do you plan to deal with multiple accounts/IPs (looking at team AVO vs MCBans)
I see what you're saying kid.So don't use it. I'm not gonna argue with you, it is server opt in system, if you don't like it don't use it on your server or complain to the server you play on, But other then that your criticism has not been constructive and to continue arguing is a waste of both of our time, you are welcome to offer suggestions but to say I should give up on my project all together because you don't like it is something I simply don't have time for.
Thanks,
zbayne