[Extrabees] Frames
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Yeah cultivated princess and common droneYou sure you are breeding the right bees to get noble/dilligent?
And common princess and cultivated drone
I hear people say that the chocolate frame boosts production, but from what I've observed, any increase in production is completely overshadowed by the decrease in lifespan. Here's how I use frames:
- Soul frames when breeding two pure species of bee in an attempt to get a new breed, to increase mutation chance
- Chocolate frames when trying to stabilize a new crossbreed, to decrease lifespan
- Proven frames when using bees for honeycomb production, to increase yield
Does anyone know, when soul frames increase chances of mutation, does it help mutate UP the line or does it have a chance of mutating back? For example, a Industrious-Diligent and a Pure Industrious, will a soul frame increase the chance of Diligent coming through in the offspring?
Does anyone know, when soul frames increase chances of mutation, does it help mutate UP the line or does it have a chance of mutating back? For example, a Industrious-Diligent and a Pure Industrious, will a soul frame increase the chance of Diligent coming through in the offspring?
As far as I'm aware, "mutation" always refers to species A and B combining to make species C. Stabilizing a hybrid line into a purebred line is something different. Now, if Industrious-Diligent could be bred to produce a different species entirely, you probably wouldn't want soul frames if you're trying to get pure Industrious or pure Diligent out of it, since it might introduce a third species into the mix. I don't think those two in particular have any mutation possibilities when bred together, though? None that I can remember anyway.
Yea, I'm trying to get a pure industrious so I know my chances are low anyway I just wasn't sure exactly what the "mutation" did. I couldn't find anything that Industrious and Diligent make so I'm not worried about that. I just don't want my Princess to retain the Diligent because my soul frame is the one introducing it to the mix
Yep, Industrious can be a tricky one to get. Here's what I normally do in that situation:
- Have a few different breeding pairs of Diligent and Unweary going at the same time, all with max fertility.
- When I get an Industrious hybrid or pure drone out of the mix but the princess is still Diligent and/or Unweary, squirrel the drone away and keep breeding.
- During breeding, try to keep the number of species traits the same on both sides - IE, Diligent-pure goes with Unweary-pure, Diligent-Unweary goes with Unweary-Diligent. I don't think whether the species is active or inactive makes a difference (breeding two Diligent-Unweary bees is the same as breeding two Unweary-Diligent ones), but not 100% sure on this one.
- If I happen to get a purebred princess, save her away until I have a purebred drone to go with her and just continue with my other breeding pairs. Not worth risking losing the species by breeding with hybrids.
- If I get a hybrid princess, put her with a hybrid drone of the other type (Diligent-Industrious goes with Unweary-Industrious), still using soul frames. Theoretically that'll increase chances of getting the target species a bit more, because you could get another mutation from the Diligent/Unweary side during breeding. Might not work well for breeding combinations where more than one type of mutation is possible, though!
- Have a few different breeding pairs of Diligent and Unweary going at the same time, all with max fertility.
- When I get an Industrious hybrid or pure drone out of the mix but the princess is still Diligent and/or Unweary, squirrel the drone away and keep breeding.
- During breeding, try to keep the number of species traits the same on both sides - IE, Diligent-pure goes with Unweary-pure, Diligent-Unweary goes with Unweary-Diligent. I don't think whether the species is active or inactive makes a difference (breeding two Diligent-Unweary bees is the same as breeding two Unweary-Diligent ones), but not 100% sure on this one.
- If I happen to get a purebred princess, save her away until I have a purebred drone to go with her and just continue with my other breeding pairs. Not worth risking losing the species by breeding with hybrids.
- If I get a hybrid princess, put her with a hybrid drone of the other type (Diligent-Industrious goes with Unweary-Industrious), still using soul frames. Theoretically that'll increase chances of getting the target species a bit more, because you could get another mutation from the Diligent/Unweary side during breeding. Might not work well for breeding combinations where more than one type of mutation is possible, though!
Thank you for the help. My problem is, my goal(though time consuming and ridiculous) is to have an apiary/alviary for every breed. So every time I set out for a new goal I am starting with a basic princess. So in other words, even though I have a pure Diligent and a pure Unweary, I have to start with a forest/meadows princess which are the cheapest to find. I mean its easy to get them with pure by breeding them with all the upper tier drones but it makes for a longer process. Once I get some royal jelly for serum vials and my power supply vamped up, I be able to get purebreds a little easier I hope. It can be very frustrating but fun. Especially when a creeper blows up half my apiarys, twice......
What you want in this situation are frames, which reduce the lifetime of the bees, so that you can cycle faster through the generations. Mutation boosts only help (like ThemsAllTook said) only with the mutation to new species. Use Chocolate Frames for the best lifetime reduction (outside of Necrotic Frames from Thaumic Bees, which have a running cost of aura).Does anyone know, when soul frames increase chances of mutation, does it help mutate UP the line or does it have a chance of mutating back? For example, a Industrious-Diligent and a Pure Industrious, will a soul frame increase the chance of Diligent coming through in the offspring?
There are also no frames which help in choosing a specific species to emerge in the genetic lottery. The system has a 50/50 chance of choosing the active or the inactive specis from the princess and the other one from the drone, for each drone (+princess) being produced. The only thing that helps you here is to breed max fertility (4 drones) into your species for a bigger pool of drones to choose from.