Etho's FTB LP
- Thread starter graydaze
- Start date
e=mc^2
What do you think matter is? However in terms of game balance I think youre right, just a bad example there.
Personally I have no problem seeing people like Baj and Etho and the like using the exploits.
Yes they give people ideas and in some cases the developers "nerf" those particular exploits, but hey, Minecraft/FTB is a constantly evolving creation.
One of the main reasons I don't have a problem with them using the exploit, is that we all know what they are capable of in vanilla and without exploits.
If any of them want to undertake a massive build and need a crap tonne of sand or cobble etc etc, they are prepared to go out there and get it.
Etho has his sand island that he's slowly chipping away at, and that massive hole in the ground he dug and blasted.
Baj and his ravine village and the walls and all that.
Bdouble0 and arkas with the arena
The list goes on, and not just with the mindcrack guys, has anybody watched slowpoke's stream where they're relocating a village, twice I think so far.
And EddieRuckus spontaneously changing from piping his lava to using an enderchest and the eagerly awaited Xycraft tanks.
We've seen them do the mundane stuff, and if all the footage was that we'd be moaning about the fact they never get anything done.
These are my own personal views and in now way reflect that of the company
Yes they give people ideas and in some cases the developers "nerf" those particular exploits, but hey, Minecraft/FTB is a constantly evolving creation.
One of the main reasons I don't have a problem with them using the exploit, is that we all know what they are capable of in vanilla and without exploits.
If any of them want to undertake a massive build and need a crap tonne of sand or cobble etc etc, they are prepared to go out there and get it.
Etho has his sand island that he's slowly chipping away at, and that massive hole in the ground he dug and blasted.
Baj and his ravine village and the walls and all that.
Bdouble0 and arkas with the arena
The list goes on, and not just with the mindcrack guys, has anybody watched slowpoke's stream where they're relocating a village, twice I think so far.
And EddieRuckus spontaneously changing from piping his lava to using an enderchest and the eagerly awaited Xycraft tanks.
We've seen them do the mundane stuff, and if all the footage was that we'd be moaning about the fact they never get anything done.
These are my own personal views and in now way reflect that of the company
What do I think this is?
A theoretical formula involving mass, energy and speed.
This formula can not be used to create matter out of pure energy, at least not with our current understanding of the universe and matter.
Please, don't throw in some formula without knowing what it means, it is by no mean something you can throw to prove your point here.
And "what do you think matter is?"
Well, as far as my understanding of matter goes, it is a composite of nanoscopic particles that can have a positive charge, a negative charge, or no charge at all.
They combine in order to form more or less stable atoms that are not charged under normal circumstances.
They can then combine with other of same or other combinations depending on the particles they are formed from, but with the result being a neutrally charged cluster of atoms.
The negatively charged particle forming the outside layer, they can be used in various ways to transfer energy.
It is also possible to cleave those atoms by applying specific amount of energy, or to fuse multiple ones together using a similar process.
That said, as far as the current science go, the particles are never formed, nor lost.
Not having done a major in chemistry and particle study, it's basically as far as I go, but I never saw the E=mc² used to create either energy or matter, it is not a calculation, but an equation.
Oh, and thank for taking the quote completely out of the context, too.
Anyway, enough of the boring stuff, in the game, there is a matter creation, sometimes from nothing (cobblestone, or infinite water pools) or from energy (uu mater), the argument was about sandstone from 1 sand instead of 4...
Actually, the equation is exactly why nuclear power works - Iron (Fe) has the highest binding energy per nucleon - going either up from Hydrogen (Fusion) or down from Uranium (Fission) results in a lower total mass; the amount of energy released from this process is governed by the equation.
Modern physics and engineering does make use of this.
Also, experimental observations (Casimir Effect) of vacuum energy shows us that particles do randomly pop in and out of existence; the question is whether those particles, in their brief existence, happen to interact with the force-carrying boson of the Higgs field (the thing we just found) and therefore acquire real mass.We haven't mastered the use of energy to create matter, but we certainly have gone the other way with it - it's more than just a theory.
Well, not exactly, because you can't have a mass of 0 or an energy of 0, or else both need to be 0.
As far as energy is treated, it has no mass by itself, so ...
But yeah, fission and fusion are a derivation of this equation, but it needs really specific conditions.
And nothing is created from the reaction.
If you look closely to the reaction in it's entirety, you will see that nothing is gained or lost, unless the fusion/fission reactions changed in 5 years of time.
What I mean is that you merely use the surplus that are forcefully ejected, and mostly the electrons.
After that, as you said, there are a lot of sub-particles that do seem to appear out nowhere and disappear, but our level of measuring these is nowhere near perfect, and it can not be excluded that they always exist either in a form we can't yet detect, or in a dimension we can't collect data from.
I know, dimensions make it seems like I am talking about some weird science fiction movie from the 90's, but from what I understand, it is one of the basis for quite a number of theories concerning the sub-particles.
I do not think I know remotely enough to be a specialist on the subject, but throwing the E=mc² just to justify "we can create matter" just doesn't feel right.
I mean, if mass isn't there, then there is no energy, and if there is energy, there is mass, that's all we can deduce from the equation, strictly speaking.
It is commonly assumed that mass = matter though.
Anyway, just saying that throwing a formula that you or the other person don't understand won't really make you win an argument.
But it is nice to see that there are people with way more knowledge than me on this subject around here.
As far as energy is treated, it has no mass by itself, so ...
But yeah, fission and fusion are a derivation of this equation, but it needs really specific conditions.
And nothing is created from the reaction.
If you look closely to the reaction in it's entirety, you will see that nothing is gained or lost, unless the fusion/fission reactions changed in 5 years of time.
What I mean is that you merely use the surplus that are forcefully ejected, and mostly the electrons.
After that, as you said, there are a lot of sub-particles that do seem to appear out nowhere and disappear, but our level of measuring these is nowhere near perfect, and it can not be excluded that they always exist either in a form we can't yet detect, or in a dimension we can't collect data from.
I know, dimensions make it seems like I am talking about some weird science fiction movie from the 90's, but from what I understand, it is one of the basis for quite a number of theories concerning the sub-particles.
I do not think I know remotely enough to be a specialist on the subject, but throwing the E=mc² just to justify "we can create matter" just doesn't feel right.
I mean, if mass isn't there, then there is no energy, and if there is energy, there is mass, that's all we can deduce from the equation, strictly speaking.
It is commonly assumed that mass = matter though.
Anyway, just saying that throwing a formula that you or the other person don't understand won't really make you win an argument.
But it is nice to see that there are people with way more knowledge than me on this subject around here.
It's not theoretical and can actually be derived.
To answer this statement, you need to know that E = mc² is not complete and only deals with particles at rest, ie. not moving, therefore the energy of the particle makes the mass with nothing extra, so, no mass, no energy. It works. But I'm guessing you were talking about particles that mare moving, so I present the full equation for a moving particle.
E² = (mc²)² + (pc)² Where p = momentum.
So, if you have a massless particle, like a photon of light, the (mc²)² is 0, therefore the energy of the particle is E = pc.
Actually, the equation is exactly why nuclear power works - Iron (Fe) has the highest binding energy per nucleon - going either up from Hydrogen (Fusion) or down from Uranium (Fission) results in a lower total mass; the amount of energy released from this process is governed by the equation.
Modern physics and engineering does make use of this.
We haven't mastered the use of energy to create matter, but we certainly have gone the other way with it - it's more than just a theory.
This is the only thing you have done thus far that I like. On the same token I laughed so hard when I read it my professor thought I was having a heart attack.
Anyways for the people arguing; minecraft != real life.
It can, but it doesn't have to. That's up to you and if a mod creator wants to base his mod in reality.
With new updates of MindCrack and DW20, filler mechanics have been changed and I could not care less since filler is a perfect tool to clear areas and add ground/ceiling part of complexes.
Without filler, you have to use a plan made by a builder and lets say if you are working with a 30x40 area, throw your filler, add stone bricks sit back and enjoy, same with leveling a mountain. When "I" want the tasty stuff, I use an IC2 miner and when I need stuff, a Quarry is always a good thing to use.
I do hope, in the future game does not turn into Gregtech vision, where a mod with such a good potential is wasted because it literrally rapes other mods and it takes hours to configure it not to and even then you can find this and that trying to make game harder. Harder is not always fun and well, if I wanted to play a hard game I'd play tetris or pong.
Without filler, you have to use a plan made by a builder and lets say if you are working with a 30x40 area, throw your filler, add stone bricks sit back and enjoy, same with leveling a mountain. When "I" want the tasty stuff, I use an IC2 miner and when I need stuff, a Quarry is always a good thing to use.
I do hope, in the future game does not turn into Gregtech vision, where a mod with such a good potential is wasted because it literrally rapes other mods and it takes hours to configure it not to and even then you can find this and that trying to make game harder. Harder is not always fun and well, if I wanted to play a hard game I'd play tetris or pong.
Of course, there's also the debate about 'existing' or 'not existing' which is very vaguely defined as 'something perceptible', when it might be more accurately described as 'we haven't figured out how to find it yet'. Not even getting into the Uncertainty Principle and the question of if our observation techniques are what caused it to occur in the first place, bringing into question its existence as an illusion or reality, which one must then try to define.Modern physics and engineering does make use of this.
Quite a fascinating little puzzle, actually.
However, it would take an extreme amount of energy to be able to create even a small amount of actual matter, since you're looking at a log scale. And that amount of energy increases exponentially the more matter you try to create, even with a theoretical 'perfect efficiency' technique which, quite bluntly, exists only in the fevered imaginations of mathematicians. We simply don't have the power source necessary to make the attempt. Yet.
Except the amount of energy needed doesn't increase exponentially, it is a linear relationship. If it takes E to get mass M, then it takes 2E to get mass 2M.
Looking at E=mc² (assuming we make a stationary object) then it is clear. The c² never changes it's value, it is always ~9x10^16, so E α m with.
Even looking at the full equation the + pc doesn't change anything, it's just adding another constant, nothing exponential about it.
In a different way, the equation for a straight line is y=Mx+A. In this case y = E, M = c², x = m and A = pc. So, we have a straight line which means a linear relationship.
Nah, I'm talking more about square-cube law. As the size increases, the volume increases significantly faster.
Considering that the filler is getting nerfed cuz as the mod maker said "it was being used on a unintended way" i can guess that yes, videos from "famous" youtubers and such will help a bit on the "balancing" of the mods themselves. Now saying that etho exploits mechanics? have you guys seen whats he is trying to do with railcraft instead of using the easy enderchest route? He does not play the game to find an exploit, build the gravysuit and then roam around the server feeling glorious (hint hint).
/manu
/manu
The induction smelter richslag/platinum exploit is another one that is probably getting closed due to Mindcrack since almost all of them that took the IC2 route exploited it to get all their iridium. So having big name youtubers play FTB and especially the ones who are good at meta gaming is a very good thing for the long term heath and well being of the packs.
Nah, my changing of the mechanic was mainly because it was an oversight in the operation of the machines - having the Smelter mechanically dominate the Pulverizer wasn't good internal balance. I had figured that out shortly after adding it, and even then, the only real issue is that there was a mod that added a ludicrously rare metal. Believe it or not, I hadn't even heard of Etho til this thread and in general I just don't follow any of the big Youtubers/streamers at all. Any major exploit or imbalance that I fix is basically because I feel it needs fixing or someone directly informs me.
Did it make you curious to see what they were doing once you had seen this thread and the comments in it?
Nope, still haven't watched any of their stuff. I'm pretty aware of the mechanics that go into TE. By shortly after adding it, I meant basically right when I released, but got lazy.