Equivalent Exchange has to go.
- Thread starter Zafum
- Start date
-
The FTB Forum is now read-only, and is here as an archive. To participate in our community discussions, please join our Discord! https://ftb.team/discord
I completely agree. Use of a mod is completely optional, but I guess people these days don't know that.
If Pahimar made it so we had to do that, I would love him forever. NO ALCHEMIST IS A TRUE ALCHEMIST UNTIL THEY'VE CREATED A PHILOSOPHER'S STONE.What we see as the minium stone, is this kind of copy.
To make the philosophers stone SPOILER ALERT, if you want to see the anime, don't read this:
A human transmutation circle must be draw, and a lot of humans lives are needed to make it, in FMA there's an organization which basically, draws a human transmutation circle in the whole main city, and sometimes they say that maybe that, isn't enough... in minecraft it could mean a villagers massacre or an epic mob hunt.
And I get to cash in on that
[
Im sorry, but i fail at finding the logic behind this, first: Almost every servers has a system of ownership, if you build somewhere without this system, (like in the wilds) you're and will be a target to grief. This is a common issue in any server (and in my opinion, its one of the best things, i do not grief but i do enjoy raiding and setting traps for griefers..) and it is NOT linked with ee3. First of all, How much obsidian you would need to cover a house? just dig down, dig forward, dig up, you're home. And now you even have a fortress because someone wasted his time making your house, better.
Besides, in servers, there will always be ppl more advanced than you, dont bitch about obsidian, once i had my whole base ate by a mffs. And i did what i had to... Just made another base... And this time, i protected it as soon as i could with mffs.. (i do not like city areas, i find limited space to be a nuisance and as i said, kill griefers is just too fun
Ee3 can make obsidian from wood, yeah, but you can use Ee3 to make some iron and dig diamonds, then mine the obsidian, then: Profit!
And as a side note, you could get griefed with mffs, warded shit, or bedrock if there is a stupid admin. Don't like it? Play in cities, don't like cities? Play in wild and dont bitch about being griefed. Don't like Ee3? Dont play in a server which has Ee3.. Every one can play how they want, and your opinion about a mod being removed from a mod pack which has tons of users, just because your house got trapped in obsidian, may not be taken for the developers because: Thats how minecraft is, every system will be OP if you know how to use it.
Sorry to waste your time by you making this response, the griefing bit of my thread was merely added for a bit of colour and not at all intended to be serious, I should know better than to presume my text will be read in the same context as it was written.
All I really wanted to say in my post was I personally just removed ee2 when I found it made the game too easy when I played solo, and given a choice for a server I'd like to set harder configs to ee3 to maintrain some of the gated progression you get with the vanilla aspects of modded minecraft - kill endermen to get to the end, kill blazes to get blaze rods etc.
Only issue I have with EE3 is Iron to Enderpearls. Enderpearls are used as a "balancing" ingredient, usually involving items/objects that can teleport. Normally you need to hunt down the endermen and hope you get a pearl drop, but now you can just dig up some ores for ingots. That attempted balance used in other mods is then "broken".
It's all subjective, but the Iron>Enderpearl definitely seems to be the odd man out.
It's all subjective, but the Iron>Enderpearl definitely seems to be the odd man out.
Turns out Iridium isn't all that hard to get. Just takes some initial guts. Once you go to the end with as little as an advanced jetpack and a thamcraft wand of lightning. You'll realize you can butcher the end dragon. After that there's a ore that's not to hard to find. Look for those clusters of floating rock there will be a small cluster of the ore you need. The end keeps going so pick a direction and go. Watch the map. You'll need something like a stack or two.
Not titanium that's my problem. But a quarry and time will get me all I need. That and some titanium bees.
And as the endedragon is so easy to deal with with such a simple set up. it makes enderpearls way easier to get than iron. Though if you consider the difficulty in getting to the end it changes things. Add a proper end age and one again the numbers change. So Iron for enderpearls. It is a bad deal. It should be enderperls for dirt.
And now that I've placed the Enderdragon on the endangered species list...
I just wanted to point out that unless it has been scrapped, the current system of getting a minium stone is incomplete. People that have a problem with EE3 must only have an issue with being able to convert materials as a concept, because mining at y-level 10 is going to net you plenty of diamonds. I don't see how this is an issue since we can current pump lava from the nether (infinite lava), automatically mine up gigantic areas, erect impenetrable force fields, become invincible to mobs, make entirely resource-replenished worlds of our own design at our fingertips. Now in our terms, these are 'balanced'. Mind you, some have large resource costs but don't matter at the end game where EE3 is designed to be (and hopefully will be when the mod actually is, you know, finished). I find that transmuting iron or gold to diamond to have me quickly run low on diamonds when the idea of transmutation seems like a good one.
Now consider obsidian, it is ridiculously simple to acquire obsidian. The only barrier is a diamond pick, but that exists as an arbitrary limit because of vanilla mechanics where getting to the nether is an accomplishment. For us, that's early-mid game if it ever happens. Otherwise, the time sink can be avoided by using a turtle or block breakers. Rarity is a joke and then you can use a magma crucible with a igneous extruder as a cobble gen then back into an igneous extruder to make obsidian at your base.
For ender pearls, try an athame. Just a piece of silver and a stick and you have an endermen killing machine. Endermen aren't too difficult to kill then, just annoying to find. This transmutation I can somewhat agree with being OP, maybe it should be bumped to 2 gold per pearl. Only on the basis that rarity is a mechanic to keep it out of the hands of the player.
"OPness" in general is at the definition to the player. You give me your definition and I'll give you mine. If a hardcore vanilla player looks at modding I'm sure they would say everything we do is OP. In the end, it is a better to leave the option for the players and server owners, and it is much easier to disable a mod in the launcher than it is to add it in and deal with any potential block conflicts.
EDIT: By the way, don't even start with EE2, the mod is no wheres near that capability in terms of resource generation. Condensers and Collectors aren't even on the drawing board or even in the possible wishlist. I didn't particularly like it because it ruined the challenge.
EDIT2: Apologies, Endertanks are apparently less powerful than Tesseracts. I just compared cost of manufacturing, neglecting the transmission rate.
Now consider obsidian, it is ridiculously simple to acquire obsidian. The only barrier is a diamond pick, but that exists as an arbitrary limit because of vanilla mechanics where getting to the nether is an accomplishment. For us, that's early-mid game if it ever happens. Otherwise, the time sink can be avoided by using a turtle or block breakers. Rarity is a joke and then you can use a magma crucible with a igneous extruder as a cobble gen then back into an igneous extruder to make obsidian at your base.
For ender pearls, try an athame. Just a piece of silver and a stick and you have an endermen killing machine. Endermen aren't too difficult to kill then, just annoying to find. This transmutation I can somewhat agree with being OP, maybe it should be bumped to 2 gold per pearl. Only on the basis that rarity is a mechanic to keep it out of the hands of the player.
"OPness" in general is at the definition to the player. You give me your definition and I'll give you mine. If a hardcore vanilla player looks at modding I'm sure they would say everything we do is OP. In the end, it is a better to leave the option for the players and server owners, and it is much easier to disable a mod in the launcher than it is to add it in and deal with any potential block conflicts.
EDIT: By the way, don't even start with EE2, the mod is no wheres near that capability in terms of resource generation. Condensers and Collectors aren't even on the drawing board or even in the possible wishlist. I didn't particularly like it because it ruined the challenge.
EDIT2: Apologies, Endertanks are apparently less powerful than Tesseracts. I just compared cost of manufacturing, neglecting the transmission rate.
Gregtech does that. Well, diamonds plus a metric shit-ton of EU and a boatload of resources to set it up.
You know the tesseracts are more OP that the endertanks? Soaryn and Direwolf20 tested it out on the forgecraft server and showed that the endertank has a relatively low liquid transmission speed while the tesseract has a high or even infinite transmission speed. This caused their lava farm for infinite lava to pump insanely fast with tesseracts but kind of slow with the endertanks. (look the video up with proof on direwolfs youtube channel)
Keep that in mind next time you say endertanks are more OP than tesseracts.
Still, as with all OP hating: if you don't like it just deïnstall, nobody forces you to use something...
Why does there have to be a 7 page topic about why something would be OP? Is that because someone wants to be told he/she is right and it is OP and we will all rise to crucify the mod maker because he made something that is according to some random person on the internets, OP?
Sorry, I didn't even consider that they could have a different transmission rate. Thanks for the info.
EE has always been at the heart of the FTB map pack, so I doubt it will ever be removed. There may be packs without it, for example I don't think Mindcrack has it.