Do you think IC2 is dead?

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Do you think IC2 is dead?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 28.5%

  • No

    Votes: 96 78.0%
  • Total voters
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KirinDave

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King Lemming said:
I'm not saying EE2 was bad - it was a blast. But you're crazy if you argue it didn't provide for capabilities that rivaled, if not surpassed, Creative Mode. Given that this was the point of the mod as stated by the devs, I'd say it's a reasonable statement to make.
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The key difference here was that you got to where you were via a series of steps that the mods intended. EE2 made it a different game, and EE2 was actually a pretty fun mod! The problem was it was then paired with IC2 and Buildcraft by a certain group of popular modpacks and these intense (and intensely stupid) arguments came up about "balance" like somehow there ever was an absolute balance that could be referenced.

it was not EE2's fault it was easier to amass resources with. Nor was it IC2's fault for being a longer track to infinite resources.

When people use "creative mode" in the context you used it, it's pejorative and dismissive. You may not realize this, but it's part of a huge ongoing argument about the definition of "OP" that sluggishly swirls about these forums.
 
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Loufmier

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ignoring all issues EE2 had, its the only mod that gave almost every item a price tag, which is good in my opinion.
 
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Loufmier said:
ignoring all issues EE2 had, its the only mod that gave almost every item a price tag, which is good in my opinion.
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Except when the prices were entirely arbitrary in the new system, yet carried over. Wood to Obsidian is dumb. Especially given how much wood you can get nowadays.
 
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KirinDave

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Hyperme said:
Except when the prices were entirely arbitrary in the new system, yet carried over. Wood to Obsidian is dumb. Especially given how much wood you can get nowadays.
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Why is it dumb? Obsidian, Iron and Wood are all pre-diamond resources.
 
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GPuzzle

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Don't you need diamond to get obsidian?
Then again, you can make obsidian out of string...
 
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Hydra

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KirinDave said:
When people use "creative mode" in the context you used it, it's pejorative and dismissive. You may not realize this, but it's part of a huge ongoing argument about the definition of "OP" that sluggishly swirls about these forums.
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Most mods use the availability of vanilla items as a gating mechanism to make some of their items 'harder' to acquire. It's basically the only means of attaching a 'cost' to an item because in the end, the only real thing that has value in minecraft is your own time. It's the only differentiator between survival and creative: the amount of time it takes you to craft certain items.

EE2 (and EE3) throw this vanilla cost of items COMPLETELY out of the window. They don't make items somewhat less hard to acquire; no, they make them as easy as hell. And this, in my opinion, makes mods like EE unfit to be combined with mods that still rely on this inherent cost mechanism in minecraft.

So I fully agree with KL: mods like EE basically act like a proxy for creative mode and therefor don't work well together with mods that rely on the basic vanilla costs of items.
 
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Poppycocks

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Dudes, that wasn't yet another EE2 flame bait, he just said that he can't believe someone would compare TE to EE2 in terms of making the game easier.

That I can agree with, furthermore, I think that Godwins law should be expanded to cover similar unfair comparisons :).
 
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ApSciLiara

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Poppycocks said:
Dudes, that wasn't yet another EE2 flame bait, he just said that he can't believe someone would compare TE to EE2 in terms of making the game easier.

That I can agree with, furthermore, I think that Godwins law should be expanded to cover similar unfair comparisons :).
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The EE Law: If you bring up Equivalent Exchange being overpowered, you instantly lose the argument.
 
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Poppycocks

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Honestly though, the forums are starting to remind of Ankh-Morpork nowadays, if god came here and said "Let there be light", someone'd ask "And what color" and the conversation would eventually devolve into arguing if TE lamps are a rip-off, whether they're worse than RP lamps and eventually to "IC illuminators suck" closed by "greg tech is scum".

Also, I believe that TE lamps are much better than RP lamps ever will be.

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dgdas9

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GPuzzle said:
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Don't you need diamond to get obsidian?
Then again, you can make obsidian out of string...
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No...

In RR you can make mekanism steel, make a steel pickaxe and mine obsidian

In ATM/AM (However you prefer, whizz) it is even easier...You just need refined iron and a philosofer's stone to make steel and then a steel pickaxe
 
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GPuzzle

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IC2 isn't a mod anymore.
It's an API - it became it when TE and GT became powerful - Buildcraft is also an API now.
 
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