[CHALLENGE] (v4.3-ish 6/7/18) Refugee to Regent Kingdom Building Challenge
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Heh, I wasn't trying to imply you were suggesting vanilla, I was attempting to illuminate my reasons behind not using it personally for long in free play. Short of it is, mods are better. Except for performance, and that's almost entirely unavoidable. Anything vanilla does, mods will do better in at least one way (usually every way), mods also add in completely new capabilities (automatic resource collection without laggy hopper arrays, heck, auto-mining and compact set-and-forget farms!).
I'm pretty aware of what is possible (I watch hermitcraft/zipkrowd/mindcrack's technical players (Etho, Docm77, Sethbling, JL2579, etc; though not necessarily all the time. That's limited to Etho. The rest are occasional "ooh that's neat" highlights) in vanilla. I just prefer mods in every way except plug-n-play ease of use, compatibility issues, and performance problems.
The only two interesting mods that aren't in 1.7 are Intangible and Psi. Psi I will not play with because it replaced Botania. I'm waiting for someone to get her permission to update and maintain it on 1.8 and later. Intangible at least won't (last time I checked) remove Witchery from port, it's just delaying it. Intangible also looks interesting. Psi did as well until I learned about Botania. One of the mods I won't play without anymore, and 1.8+ doesn't have it. It's going to take one of: me learning java and making a automation magic (Vaz calls Botania a flower-based Tech mod. It's an apt descriptor) general mod, a lot of killer features that overwhelm my love for 1.7 mods, a forwardport mod that will let me play 1.7 mods in 1.8+, or someone updating my must-have mods to 1.8.
Or Sponge. I cannot WAIT for sponge so I don't have to worry so much about version changes breaking the everything in mods.
I'm planning on playing a race with advanced magic and stunted tech, as I prefer magic mods early game. Luckily that opens up a lot of automation opportunities (Botania! I guess Thaumcraft too... but BOTANIA!). Because no automation is a no-go. I don't care if it's slow, complex, kinda crappy, etc. I do NOT want to be farmer/botanist/arborist/lumberjack/miner/builder Tome for too long. It's fun early when it gives you a sense of accomplishment, but Hunger Overhaul as configured by... (Wait why can't I "@" Jadedcat?) Jadedcat in Agrarian Skies and Magic Farm is the perfect example for me. Oooh neat, I can starve and need to diversify my food portfolio! Oh I'll never get rid of this with progress? Yeah...no. Busywork is anathema to fun. Hunger Overhaul? Meet my config skillz!
Are you certain you only have TiCo and not Tinker's Tweaks as well?
This is why I disable tools/weapons entirely. Too strong. There are alternatives to everything except early-game mass break tools. I use VeinMiner as well to counter the lumber axe (with VeinminerModIntegration to require an enchantment to veinmine). But for multiple reasons (A hard dependency by VeinminerModIntegration on TiCo, liking the smeltery, and the slime trees) I don't want to remove TiCo entirely.
Ah, you WERE using ITT! It can be used to improve the experience without saying HAHA HARDCORE LAWL SCREW YOU. But it takes a LOT of digging in configs.
Also, no. Anything and everything from TiCo can spawn as chest loot.
Flint was craftable with ITT. Just saying
Always check NEI, the integration (if you have NEI Plugins, Thaucraft NEI Plugin, Buildcraft Compat, NEI Addons, and NEI Integration) is astounding!
I've got integration and stuff, I just usually rely on previously found mechanics to work my way around new mods if they don't immediately present me with "READ THIS!!" Maybe not even immediately, just at some point present me with "read this, plz" if there are other mechanics that you use outside of vanilla. I'm quite used to being able to shuffle around and eventually happen upon flint. Even so, I was finding that for whatever reason I couldn't make wood tools or bone tools (couldn't make parts and there isn't any NEI integration for tinker recipes), and since I couldn't figure out what the deal was with flint, I had no other out. I was irritated and began digging through the TConstruct config and found that it had nothing to do with my issues. I don't remember really seeing a config for Iguana Tweaks, and, figuring I was having more fun with TConstruct without it, just chucked the mod and swore to never see it again. I want my wood and bone tools. Without those, living without vanilla tools is impossible.
Yeah, ITT is like that on deafult. But seriously, with mods. If you're having trouble finding something? Always check NEI recipes. You'd be amazed just how often it helps you. Also I'd build your own modpack, and check the wikis for any mods you intend to add. It's a lot of work at the outset (and thaumcraft addons will be all mysterious and crap and not let you know much), but it'll improve your experience immensely.
Yeah. Modpack making is difficult yet rewarding. You get everything you want and none of the stuff you don't. I've chosen to go away from thaumcraft this time as I feel it's in every pack and while I never get anywhere with it I'm just far too used to seeing it. I need new stuff. I guess that's the main issue with playing any game for too long. You get used to it. Especially after 3 or 4 years.
I've encountered villager chests containing portal guns, ender swords, dark steel armor, a dozen or so ingots of various alloys, stacks of cheeseburgers, you name it. Without exception, nearly every mod-added item I can think of except for maybe Computercraft (treasure disks only, and even those are of questionable value) goes overboard on villager chest loot. In a dungeon or stronghold, not so much of an issue. But in a "just walk in and help yourself" villager chest? Naah, not for me.
To each his or her own.
To each his or her own.
@TomeWyrm I know you referred to a desire for an "official" Botania 1.8.x, but the unofficial one from Williewillus seems to do ok so far: https://github.com/williewillus/Botania/releases.
pft, I use A New Dawn. I could care less about official. I've gotten over the drama llamas in the community. CONTENT is what's important, not This Particular Authors Vision Of The Content. Copyright is well and good, IP rights are nice, but frankly people need to get over the parlor version of modding and get back into the cathedral. This community needs it.
http://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:Open_Modding for reference.
http://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:Open_Modding for reference.
Interesting read. I'm a fan of open licenses, and I don't make closed-source mods myself, but I don't much like the approach he took with that vision of a license.
I'm inconsequential enough that I don't have a lot of support nightmare stories. But I have a simple view of "I'll support helping to resolve problems with my mod to the best of my available ability and time. If someone alters my mod, go talk to them about it." Several modders have a similar stance, and I don't see anything wrong with it. If I vanish off the Internet tomorrow, or even if I don't, someone can take my mod and do what they want with it. Once they've changed it, they're responsible for their changes, not me.
Where I don't agree with Wrye's vision is here:
If I'm making use of something in his mod, e.g., I build off of his work, I don't have an issue with this. But as worded, any mod I create from that point on must abide by this license. I'll stick to a license without that yoke around my neck, thanks.
Oh, and to keep this post relevant to the thread, I'm giving my current R2R Utilities mod a serious makeover. The next release will support 1.7.10, 1.8.9 and 1.9+ as well as having a serious overhaul of what it provides.
I'm inconsequential enough that I don't have a lot of support nightmare stories. But I have a simple view of "I'll support helping to resolve problems with my mod to the best of my available ability and time. If someone alters my mod, go talk to them about it." Several modders have a similar stance, and I don't see anything wrong with it. If I vanish off the Internet tomorrow, or even if I don't, someone can take my mod and do what they want with it. Once they've changed it, they're responsible for their changes, not me.
Where I don't agree with Wrye's vision is here:
"The basic deal of the OML would be: I (the creator of this mod) will allow you (the end user) to use my mod, if you agree that any mods that you produce and distribute will be at least Openable Distribution. If you do not agree to these terms, then not only may you not use my mod, but you may not keep a copy of this mod."
If I'm making use of something in his mod, e.g., I build off of his work, I don't have an issue with this. But as worded, any mod I create from that point on must abide by this license. I'll stick to a license without that yoke around my neck, thanks.
Oh, and to keep this post relevant to the thread, I'm giving my current R2R Utilities mod a serious makeover. The next release will support 1.7.10, 1.8.9 and 1.9+ as well as having a serious overhaul of what it provides.
Oh and to pipe up, where can I find R2R Utilites again. My google-fu fails prior to coffee.
Can find last released versions at either:
Mods.io
or
Curseforge
Personally, I'd wait for the update. It has a few more tweaks and configurable rules/recipes in it. Everything can of course be toggled on or off in the config file, so you're able to pick and choose what you want to use.
Mods.io
or
Curseforge
Personally, I'd wait for the update. It has a few more tweaks and configurable rules/recipes in it. Everything can of course be toggled on or off in the config file, so you're able to pick and choose what you want to use.
And for a regular dose of progress I start working with Botania automation.
The Just an FYI regarding Botania in 1.8 as I just discovered this myself.
The https://github.com/williewillus/Botania/tree/MC18 version is official, williewillus does have permission to port to 1.8 according to the official Botania reddit page.
https://www.reddit.com/r/botania/comments/3xrs21/fyi_my_188_port_in_progress_here/
Waiting for mods is why I'm still in 1.7. Not sure if it's worth waiting for conversion to 1.8 or if I should expect 1.9 mods instead.
I stopped holding my breath for modders to move from 1.7.10 -- I think a large number of them (remember, 1.7.10 has thousands of mods, not just a couple hundred) will become abandoned and never get ported or remade for newer versions. Those that do will get there as time and real-life permits. Many modders who had tons of free time back when 1.7.10 came out are now in college, have families, or are pursuing professional careers, and have less time to devote to a hobby. In the gap between there is plenty of opportunity for new modders and mods to pop up and have their time to shine.
I made the mistake (once) of holding off for a mod I thought I just couldn't live without. That was RP2. I regret that wait and all the negativity that came after. I don't intend to do it again. Sure, Minecraft has a bigger hurdle with the changes from 1.7.10 to 1.8+, but they aren't insurmountable hurdles. They're just annoying pain-in-the-backside hurdles. Once you're past that things aren't really that bad.
If some of the 1.7.10 mods finally get released, I'll look forward to trying them again, and if they're still just as good as I remember them, they'll be added into my new collection of mods. If not, I'll just fondly remember them like I did with RP2 when it was really something spectacular.
There are enough 1.8.9 mods out there to make a comfortable reboot for many players, and enough new mods to dip into as well. Take the plunge!
I made the mistake (once) of holding off for a mod I thought I just couldn't live without. That was RP2. I regret that wait and all the negativity that came after. I don't intend to do it again. Sure, Minecraft has a bigger hurdle with the changes from 1.7.10 to 1.8+, but they aren't insurmountable hurdles. They're just annoying pain-in-the-backside hurdles. Once you're past that things aren't really that bad.
If some of the 1.7.10 mods finally get released, I'll look forward to trying them again, and if they're still just as good as I remember them, they'll be added into my new collection of mods. If not, I'll just fondly remember them like I did with RP2 when it was really something spectacular.
There are enough 1.8.9 mods out there to make a comfortable reboot for many players, and enough new mods to dip into as well. Take the plunge!