It has nothing to do with "limits" and everything to do with conveying the proper meaning to the audience. Efficiency just means "fuel in to power out" this is true. *You* make the assumption that the default is to consider this over the lifetime of the machine. Your audience may not make that assumption, and would be misled if they instead assume that the default is to consider this in the instant minute-to-minute comparison. Thus, the onus is on you, as the communicator, to clarify your meaning.
Best way to use Biofuel?
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It has nothing to do with "limits" and everything to do with conveying the proper meaning to the audience. Efficiency just means "fuel in to power out" this is true. *You* make the assumption that the default is to consider this over the lifetime of the machine. Your audience may not make that assumption, and would be misled if they instead assume that the default is to consider this in the instant minute-to-minute comparison. Thus, the onus is on you, as the communicator, to clarify your meaning.
136.92 buckets of biofuel in a 36 HP over 9 hours compared to 16.2 in a combustion engine. At that point the boiler has the exact same average MJ/t as the engine. THAT is efficiency. As for the qualifier crap see Milaha's post. Merely saying the efficiency implies over it's entire lifetime.
Oh and if we were considering only the max heat phase of the boiler, sure, it's more efficient. I don't see it that way because not only are you spending a helluva lot more fuel to get it there that could produce WAY more MJ in engines over their lifetime but it's not as efficient for the casual SSP player for a good chunk of time.
All in all the boiler sacrifices a majority of lifetime efficiency for mass MJ production (edit) in SSP.
Unless you have some crazy config where a single combustion engine puts out 144MJ/t, think you are mistaken.
Sigh.
http://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/the-final-word-on-steam-boiler-efficiency.13506/
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44754370/boilerscience24h.png
Educate yourself on what you're arguing about before arguing.
I assume my audience is familiar with proper English and use proper English. If my audience is not, that is unfortunately not something I will consider. You are not going to win an argument if your stance is that we should assume our audience does not know the language we are using well enough to understand us. As at that point there is no line in the sand you can draw that is more correct than any other. Should I explain everything in terms a 5 year old can understand?
Wait for 1.5.1.
Wait for Redpower for 1.5.1 (Attempt to not die of old age)
Use Redpower pumps to fill a large hole with biofuel
Set it on fire.
If you yourself were included in such a set of people, you would realize that the word efficiency does not imply either current or overall, and the such a designation must be provided explicitly.
You regret your error.
Sure. Let's put into perspective a boiler.
Running on 5000 buckets of biofuel a 36HP boiler will produce 1.3 billion MJ over 5-6 days.
Running on 5000 buckets of biofuel a single combustion engine will produce 1 billion MJ over 115-116 days.
Did you miss a zero on the boiler?
Startup calculator estimate 5000 buckets will:
My paper math says the run phase generates 5 days = 7200 minutes + 44 minutes = 434,640+ 16 seconds = 8693120 ticks = 1,251,809,280 MJ
Does not include the additional 10+ hours you should get from 100-1000 and 1000 back to 100.
Yeah I did lol!
But yeah re-simulated with the heatup phase and it's 1.3 billion MJ with no cooldown.
I wonder how that compares in iron consumption vs boiler + engines
Can't be bothered now about to go to class.
I did read that thread, and it's quite informative. However I don't believe what you actually wrote is what you meant to write.
A single combustion engine puts out 5MJ/t on biofuel. A 36HP boiler puts out 144MJ/t after hitting 100degrees. Over 9 hours, the combustion engine will put out a total of 3,240,000 MJ. At 144MJ/t, that same MJ takes the boiler ~19 minutes to generate. Unless you are saying that the 36HP boiler takes 8hours and 41minutes to hit 100 degrees, what you wrote is wrong.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/efficiency
Look up the definition. It is just as valid to consider efficiency at a single moment as it is to consider it over the lifetime of a machine. Since both are valid uses of the word, anyone who actually understands proper English would clarify which meaning they are using.
I did look it up, at M-W no less. "effective operation as measured by a comparison of production with cost (as in energy, time, and money)" no mention of over a shortened time interval here. Just straight cost compared to operation. "the ratio of the useful energy delivered by a dynamic system to the energy supplied to it" No mention of a shortened time being a valid use here either. Just plain old useful energy out compared to energy supplied.
Where are you getting that both a generic use as well as a time limited use are part of the definition? I wonder at your reading skills at this point.
Since this class is boring...
36 HP boiler + 18 industrial engines: ~55 iron 323 steel
20 Combustions: 240 iron
29 Combustions: 348 iron
There is also the fact that combustion engines each need to have water pumped into them, and that is not something a single aqueous accumulator can do.
This also means more pipes/liquiducts.
If you want to compare two setups resource wise, then please compare the full setup, because liquiducts are not free either, if you go that way.
Also, just to add my two cents, why not use power converters with the steam boiler? As far as I understand it, it outputs more energy per steam, and you can directly output it into EU if you so desired.
This also means more pipes/liquiducts.
If you want to compare two setups resource wise, then please compare the full setup, because liquiducts are not free either, if you go that way.
Also, just to add my two cents, why not use power converters with the steam boiler? As far as I understand it, it outputs more energy per steam, and you can directly output it into EU if you so desired.
It actually outputs exactly the same amount of MJ per steam, he used the steam>mj ratio given by railcraft to set the value for steam. You get a ton more EU than a turbine though.