Advanced Mining Drill

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Bigglesworth

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So, I play and watch many LPs. Playing the mindcrack pack plus a few extra mods that should be standard (additional pipes, logistic-pipes ect). I see everyone and their mother using the mining drills. Me, being a hobo using normal diamond picks finally gets around to a wiki to see what all the hubbub is about. Looks cool and can be used as a shovel too. Cool! One less thing to carry and swap to in my inventory, right? I learn that these things need to be charged the equivalent of 17~ times to get as many blocks mined as a normal pick.

wat.

So let me get this right, now I need to get a lappack? So there goes my extra inventory slot. Now I need to swap the lappack out with my jetpack when I want to mine? There goes my 'less swapping' perk. By the time you have the sort of supplies needed to make this, the usefulness in the very early stages is already gone. Why do people use this piece of crap that seems like its just a huge hassle for saving 3 diamonds every 17 recharges (and thats just vs a normal pick, let alon one with unbreaking). I rather spend the 3 diamonds than have to run around recharging or swaping lappacks like a crazed blood thirsty monkey.

All in all I think this thing needs something better done with it. I'd say give it a solar upgrade! But then, its a fscking pick, you wont be seeing that much sun. But how about this; engineered upgrades? As in a 2x2 inventory inside it where you can insert upgrades to either 1. speed up the mining (have 3 levels of this, each more expensive than the last, and the last being very expensive but as fast as efficiency V) 2. extend the internal battery, having three versions of the upgrade that extend it 4x, 8x and finally the most expensive being 16x the default EU storage. 3. Looting/Fortune/Silktouch. Each of the four slots would stack upto 5 of the same upgrade except the looting/silk/fortune upgrades.

Why do this instead of just use the enchanting system? Because why use mods at all? Why use this drill if it doesn't allow any special manual configurations that you can remove and customize like a real engineer would? This think needs to be cool, and right now its lame.

back to gaming..
 
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Scaffolding

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One thing, the Advanced Diamond Drill was added by a mod that demands lots of EU (Gravitation Suite), it provides a 35% increase over the Diamond Drill at 100% more power usage. It also provides: Ultimate Lappack, Gravitation Chest plate, Ultimate Solar Helmet, Advanced Lappack, Advanced Chainsaw, Vajra.

I guess it is expected to pair the tools with the Gravitation Chest plate which has an energy store of 10 Million EU and provides a creative mode-ish flying ability, lastly it charges your tools. I don't have one of these and I use a basic Diamond Drill and with a basic Lappack and have not had any problem with caving trips. Switching back and forth between a Lappack and Jetpack can be a pain but honestly If I'm caving I'm not likely to have to use my Jetpack much if at all. As far as enchantments go yes Silk Touch/Fortune picks are superior but I know some people just use Rockcutter on anything they would use Fortune on and then either Fortune it back at base or Industrial Grinder/Macerate/Rock Crusher it later.
 

WTFFFS

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I added Modular Powersuits I like the powertool option from it much better than the Adv diamond drill\Adv chainsaw option, also the rest of the mod is pretty damn nice so if you are adding mods anyway get it and give it a run it's good :)
 

Damoklesz

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Please keep in mind, that most people only use the drill for the occasional couple of blocks that needs breaking during gameplay. Most people use quaries/turtles/bores/etc... for actual mining purposes. To clear a larger area, you even have the mining laser or the filler.
Also, there is the GraviChestPlate, which combines jetpack/lappack/armor. People not using Gregtech can get one of these relatively quickly.
Having said that I also wished for the drill to have Fortune or Silktouch.
 

WTFFFS

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There is a Silktouch "drill" added by Gregtech, the Rockcutter (it's bloody slow though) I do also use the Diamond Jackhammer from Gregtech since it treats normal stone the same way as an efficiency diamond pick treats netherrack and does not mine ores so you can silktouch them.
I do also prefer manual mining so I tend to have a bunch of tools for it, my normal tool setup is Powertool\Fortune III Pick(atm this is a Pickaxe of the Core with Repair)\Silktouch pick (diamond with EffIV\UnbreakIII) and the JackHammer (also have a Wand of Excavation\Wand of Equal Trade\Mining Laser in my Inv) and one of the more important parts of my manual mining tools Coin of Fortune from Xeno's Reliquary.
 

urmamasllama

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btw you can enchant drills with books i have a silk touch eff IV drill right now i don't really even need to power a lot of the time
 

WTFFFS

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btw you can enchant drills with books i have a silk touch eff IV drill right now i don't really even need to power a lot of the time
I think that is a bug that is fixed in IC2 dev builds later than 170ish because it is a little too good (that said I am still using my Vorpal II\Soulstealer IV\Sharpness IV diamond sword that I made while you could enchant non-vile swords with Soul Stealer legitimately :D)
 

Yusunoha

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it's like Scaffolding said, the advanced mining drill is added by the Gravi suite mod, and GregTech is the mod that makes IC2 harder. you can't really blame the gravi suite mod that the item has become sort of useless by the changes of GregTech because it'd be an impossible task to make a mod, that's balanced with every other minecraft mod.
 

Bigglesworth

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its not that the drill is 'harder' its just not as good as the games default methods while being harder to get and providing no real perks. Funny someone mentioned caving, i use my jetpack while caving more than anywhere else. maybe my caves are more open, but im usually flying around to get higher up ore, esp in large cliff areas and quarrys.
 

Dragonfel

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I carry my lappack and other tools (such as wrenches, etc.) in a canvas bag and swap it in when my drill needs a recharge. I don't do a lot of manual strip mining, but I keep a thermal generator (lava powered) and an MFE at the entrance area of my mine so I don't have to go far to recharge it. A full inventory of digging usually spends about a quarter of my lappack. I could upgrade it to an advanced lappack, but I haven't needed to. My workroom has a gregtech charge station that fills up my equipment by standing in proximity. Honestly I spend more time running back to charge my jetpack than anything else.
 

Bigglesworth

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I can agree with the jetpack needing recharge often. The solar helm really helps when more outdoors, but its not really much. Jetpack really need an upgrade (or 2) between it and the full on anti-grav super suit. Maybe a jetpack with 60000EU and a super one with 200k EU and a display for % of fuel/EU or some such. Id really like to see incorporated a lappack into the recipe somehow. The antigrav suit would still be better by far due to its superior hover, longevity and speed.
 
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haisho

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I actually find the Advanced Mining Drill worse than a good ol' Diamond Drill.

The Diamond Drill already mines at a ridiculously fast rate. The increased mining speed is a marginal benefit offset by the doubled power consumption, and if you don't care about exploiting little bugs, would be beaten by an Efficiency IV Diamond Drill.
Did I fail to mention that the Advanced Mining Drill is actually slower on some mod blocks for some reason?
 
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Bigglesworth

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I think if the advanced drill had 4x the internal EU storage it would make it worthwile for me. Thats still only 25% of what a *normal* pick would do but it would be enough for an outing without a lappack. Either that or an upgraded version of the jetpack that allows it to use EU storage for rechargeing as well and flying.
 

Velotican

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By now you've probably worked out that the Advanced Drill is designed as a convenience option and an intermediary between the IC2 Diamond Drill and the Vajra.

It follows IC2's general theme of being able to do things faster at the cost of burning far more power to get the extra speed, though. The use of Overclockers in the crafting recipe should have been the clue. ;)
 

SpitefulFox

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Bigglesworth appears to be talking about the normal ol' diamond drill while everyone else is talking about the advanced diamond drill. Maybe the thread title needs to be changed?
 

Dravarden

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For me it simply should have more energy storage, for something is "advanced"

Or a tier between the gravisuit and the jetpack, like a jetpack + advanced lappack that also powers your tools (and maybe even higher tier gets you protection, but just like a nano chestplate, an ultimate lappack and a jetpack)
 

Democretes

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I think that the electric jetpack should stay where it is and there should be no upgrades for it. It is relatively cheap and easy to make whil also being easy to recharge. Fuel jetpacks on the other hand should have an upgrade. Fuel is a bit harder to get than slapping your electric jetpack in an MFE to be ready to fly.
 

Velotican

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I think the confusion here is because of the fact that his complaint equally applies to the Advanced Diamond Drill except the ADD actually is worse overall compared to the Diamond Drill unless you're in a hurry.

As for the Diamond Drill itself, IC2 is an old mod and it has a lot of legacy content that's a lot less useful now than when it was originally designed. The whole mod could do with a rebalancing to take account of all the changes in vanilla and modding since Beta 1.8, really. A lot of the older mods seem stuck in that time warp actually.