[1.7.10][LISTED] InfiTech 2 Modpack v3.2.21 [HQM][GregTech balanced hard-mode modpack]

[Pyure]

Very confusing. It says EU/t is optimal liquid flow * 40, but that would depend on the kind of plasma your're putting in, right? If nominal optimal liquid flow is 6000 L/sec, i.e. 300 L/t, that would mean EU/t is 12000, but if you input 300 L/t iron plasma you get about 17000 EU/t, so you'd need to reduce the flow to stay within the limit. So how does this work?

Also, a Mk I fusion reactor makes 125 L helium plasma in 16 ticks, which means about 8 L/t. That, in turn, means there isn't a turbine you can use effectively since optimal flow for even the smallest turbine is way more than that, and things get worse once you get to the metal recipes that make 16L in 32 ticks or something like that. Intermittently switching the turbine on and off is not so good since it takes 50sec to reach its optimal speed. So how am I supposed to use this?

Just thinking out loud, but perhaps you need to consider the multiblock turbine an option for when you have a lot of fusion reactors, or better reactors, or for use with a plasma-buffer (steel tank).

For providing the precise flow rate, say 300 mb/t, you can always just use EIO conduits from a steel-tank buffer. An Ender + Pressurized will provide exactly 300 mb/t for instance. There's also an industrialcraft machine whose name escapes me but allows you to choke throughput to a very precise amount.

 

[Blood Asp]

The last line on the wiki says: "So a 10,000L/sec Turbine can produce 20,000EU/t." 1L Heliumplasma @ 100% Efficiency is worth 4096EU, so 20000EUt/4096EU/l = 4.88L/t -> ~5L/t Helium Plasma with a 10,000L/sec Turbine.

You can control the amount of fluid inserted with an IC2 Fluid Regulator.

 

[Ieldra]

The last line on the wiki says: "So a 10,000L/sec Turbine can produce 20,000EU/t." 1L Heliumplasma @ 100% Efficiency is worth 4096EU, so 20000EUt/4096EU/l = 4.88L/t -> ~5L/t Helium Plasma with a 10,000L/sec Turbine.

You can control the amount of fluid inserted with an IC2 Fluid Regulator.

So a 10000 L/sec turbine with 100% efficiency actually runs optimally with 100 L/sec (=5L/t) helium plasma? Perhaps you can see how that's a little confusing? Especially since it says the optimal flow is calculated from the EU/t and then when the *40 plasma multiplier is applied it's the other way round, so that back-calculating from that gives you a different result.

So forgive me if I ask again: is this how you *know* it works? Because that would be really nice....but I don't trust any source as unclear as that wiki page.

 

[Blood Asp]

I programmed it that way and wrote the wikipage...should it not work that way, it is a bug. I'm just bad at explaining it in english and also no idea how to optimize the tooltips for easy understanding.

 

[Pyure]

So a 10000 L/sec turbine with 100% efficiency actually runs optimally with 100 L/sec (=5L/t) helium plasma? Perhaps you can see how that's a little confusing? Especially since it says the optimal flow is calculated from the EU/t and then when the *40 plasma multiplier is applied it's the other way round, so that back-calculating from that gives you a different result.

So forgive me if I ask again: is this how you *know* it works? Because that would be really nice....but I don't trust any source as unclear as that wiki page.

I programmed it that way and wrote the wikipage...should it not work that way, it is a bug. I'm just bad at explaining it in english and also no idea how to optimize the tooltips for easy understanding.

I still don't understand; Maybe Ieldra if you have it worked out, you can help re-write the page for clarity. I agree that this page in particular is close to incomprehensible.

 

[EchoingZen]

I hadn't actually ever used Simple Solar boilers. What have been your experiences with them for the early game? (I just happen to have a bit of silver lying around.)

 

[Jason McRay]

I hadn't actually ever used Simple Solar boilers. What have been your experiences with them for the early game? (I just happen to have a bit of silver lying around.)

It depends. They might be better than Coal Boilers if you will manage to not let them cool down. They have same steam production rate as coal ones.

in SP, they are great if you have silver and bed to skip nights. On muliplayer.... since sometimes ppl just dont care about sleeping they are not that good.

 

[EchoingZen]

It depends. They might be better than Coal Boilers if you will manage to not let them cool down. They have same steam production rate as coal ones.

in SP, they are great if you have silver and bed to skip nights. On muliplayer.... since sometimes ppl just dont care about sleeping they are not that good.

I think I'll give them a try. I'm in food hoarding mode, so I'm gonna be just sitting around my bed anyways. Thanks!

 

[EchoingZen]

So, my fish traps aren't functioning.
http://imgur.com/CGGyQld

Any ideas why?

 

[Pyure]

So, my fish traps aren't functioning.
http://imgur.com/CGGyQld

Any ideas why?

You used bait?

 

[EchoingZen]

You used bait?

Indeed... each one has 5 to 6 bait in it.

 

[Pyure]

Indeed... each one has 5 to 6 bait in it.

Hmm according to pam's changelog, the other thing you need is 5+ water source blocks at Y level. Can you triple-check that those are SOURCE blocks of water, and not flowing? It looks like you dug a bit of a channel to fit your traps, which could create flowing blocks. (Bearing in mind that with finite-water, we don't automatically generate source blocks)

 

[EchoingZen]

Hmm according to pam's changelog, the other thing you need is 5+ water source blocks at Y level. Can you triple-check that those are SOURCE blocks of water, and not flowing? It looks like you dug a bit of a channel to fit your traps, which could create flowing blocks. (Bearing in mind that with finite-water, we don't automatically generate source blocks)

I did dig a trench.. I'll pop them out and have them in self contained ponds.

 

[DarknessShadow]

I programmed it that way and wrote the wikipage...should it not work that way, it is a bug. I'm just bad at explaining it in english and also no idea how to optimize the tooltips for easy understanding.

Could you maybe make a table with all the different plasmas and the different turbines? It will show it better than math formulas

 

[Ieldra]

I still don't understand; Maybe Ieldra if you have it worked out, you can help re-write the page for clarity. I agree that this page in particular is close to incomprehensible.

It is actually rather hard to explain this in a reasonably easy-to-understand way....I spent quite some time on better phrasing. What do you think of this (also @Blood Asp, please check this for possible mistakes ):

"Optimal Flow and Maximum Output:
Optimal Flow is the amount per time unit of gas, steam, superheated steam or plasma that generates a Large Turbine's nominal output. It depends on the turbine type and the built-in turbine item. The value listed in the description of the turbine item ("Optimal Steam Flow") applies to Large Steam Turbines. Values for HP, gas or plasma turbines differ and are calculated as described below. Any Large Turbine's nominal output is calculated from the "Optimal Steam Flow" as follows:
*In a Large Steam Turbine: Nominal output = Optimal Steam Flow per tick / 2
*In a Large Gas or HP Turbine: Nominal output = Optimal Steam Flow per tick
*In a Plasma Turbine: Nominal output = Optimal Steam Flow per tick * 40
Examples:
*A Large Plasma Turbine using a "10000L/sec" turbine item has a nominal output of (10000/20) * 40 = 20000 EU/t.
*A Large Gas Turbine using a "10000L/sec" turbine item has a nominal output of (10000/20) = 500 EU/t.
*A Large Steam Turbine using a "10000L/sec" turbine item has a nominal output of (10000/20) / 2 = 250 EU/t.

From this, Optimal Flow can be calculated as Optimal Flow = Nominal Output / Fuel Value per L. Examples:
*Steam has a fuel value of 0.5 EU/L, so optimal flow is 250/0.5 = 500 L/t, which of course equals the listed value of 10000L/sec.
*Biogas has a fuel value of 32 EU/L, so optimal flow is 500 / 32 ~ 16 L/t
*Helium plasma has a fuel value of 4096 EU/L, so optimal flow is 20000/4096 ~ 5 L/t.

A turbine's actual output is Nominal Output * Efficiency%/100. A turbine can work with up to 150% of its optimal flow, but no power will be generated from the surplus. If supplied with less, the turbine will still run, but an additional efficiency modifier will be applied to the output. FlowEfficiency = ActualFlow/OptimalFlow."

[Note that I adamantly refuse to register at ftp.gamepedia because they prevent me from searching without being registered and logged in, which I consider an inacceptable policy. So I won't be the one editing that page]

@DarknessShadow
That is not feasible. There are 328 different turbine items, 4 turbine types and an unknown number of gases and plasmas. Also, formulas are easier to understand than tables (*runs away*)
I agree, though, that a list of turbine items would be nice. Since they're meta-items, you must go through their recipes one-by-one to see their stats. Very tedious.

@all:
How do you repair a turbine item?

 

[Elthy]

If i understtod that right a normal size naqadah alloy turbine would be optimal for a fusionreactor mk1 running with deuterium/tritium. It produces 32000 eu/t worth of plasma, the naquadah alloy turbine has an optimal flow of 16000l/sec. Due to its efficency of 125 the generator would output 40000eu/t, right?

 

[Blood Asp]

How do you repair a turbine item?

Currently no way. I plan to add it to the disassembler.

It is actually rather hard to explain this in a reasonably easy-to-understand way....I spent quite some time on better phrasing. What do you think of this (also @Blood Asp, please check this for possible mistakes ):

Will read this once i'm home. Too much for checking it on Phone.

That is not feasible. There are 328 different turbine items, 4 turbine types and an unknown number of gases and plasmas. Also, formulas are easier to understand than tables (*runs away*)
I agree, though, that a list of turbine items would be nice. Since they're meta-items, you must go through their recipes one-by-one to see their stats. Very tedious.

Spreadsheets can manage that. But still quite a lot work.

If i understtod that right a normal size naqadah alloy turbine would be optimal for a fusionreactor mk1 running with deuterium/tritium. It produces 32000 eu/t worth of plasma, the naquadah alloy turbine has an optimal flow of 16000l/sec. Due to its efficency of 125 the generator would output 40000eu/t, right?

Exactly. Likely some loss due to rounding, and the 50sec ramp up time might annoy some, but the numbers should get quite close to reality.

 

[Ieldra]

Exactly. Likely some loss due to rounding, and the 50sec ramp up time might annoy some, but the numbers should get quite close to reality.

That's actually something that wasn't quite clear: is the turbine item's efficiency rating applied to the maximum output of the Large Turbine, or is it inversely applied to the optimal flow?

For instance, if a turbine item has 125% efficiency, does it mean that a Large Turbine using it generates 25% more power per time unit, increasing its maximum output, or does it mean that it uses less flow to generate its normal maximum output? I have been assuming the latter, but Elthy's post assumes the former. One of us must be wrong.

 

[Blood Asp]

The efficiency is applied later on the output. The flow does not change because of that.

 

[Ieldra]

The efficiency is applied later on the output. The flow does not change because of that.

I have changed my explanation post abovethread according to this new information.