[1.5.2] Tinker's Construct - Fortunate Hammer

[Vovegog]

So I made an Iron Hammer with some modifiers on it, and currently I have redstone and lapiz on it. However, even though it says "Fortune 2" on the tool, it never yields more ore. Is this a bug, or does the enchantment simply not work with a hammer?

And just to clarify, it's the excavation hammer (or whats-it's-name) - the one that mines 3x3 areas.

 

[Omicron]

Fortune only triggers if you use a tool that's appropriate for what you're mining.

For example, breaking clay with a fortune shovel gives you bonus clay, but breaking clay with a fortune pickaxe does not. Similarly, breaking ore with a fortune shovel does not give you any bonus.

The hammers are designed to break stone, not ore. Thus they are not counted as appropriate tools for the purposes of fortune triggering on ores.

 

[Vovegog]

I thought the hammers were meant for excavating and mining? It is after all classified as a mining-tool

 

[Omicron]

I thought it was for excavating in the sense of "clearing large amounts of stone very quickly". That's why it clears out a 3x3 area around the broken block (but only stone).

 

[Vovegog]

Nope, it mines. It does clear a 3x3 area, but it clears all types of ore. It's classified as a broad mining tool. I have literally mined 9 stacks of coal, a couple stacks of gold, about 10 stacks of iron etc. etc. You get the picture. Now, I only wish fortune had worked, think of how much I would've gotten then LOL.

But the question still remains, does Fortune work on a mining hammer? Anyone?

 

[SonOfABirch]

well you will never get duplicate ores, the only way fortune will ever work on an ore is if you also have the smelting upgrade.

 

[Vovegog]

Seriously? It ONLY works in conjunction with smelting? That's kinda ... stupid.
Will it still work in mining ores that yield raw materials, like diamonds, lapis, glowstone, redstone etc?

 

[SonOfABirch]

well, depends on whether what Omicron says is true or not. I've never used a hammer so I can't say which of you is right. Try upgrading it to Fortune 3, then see how it is breaking lapis and redstone (fortune on glowstone will never yield more than 4 dust, you just have a smaller chance of getting less)

 

[Vovegog]

Oh yes, Fortune 3 works on a hammer when mining diamonds, lapis and redstone. I got 36 diamonds from 18 blocks, almost two stacks of lapis from 18 blocks and almost a stack of redstone from 9 blocks.
You are correct though when it comes to ore, they do not yield more ore. It's ONLY with raw resources that drop as they are. I guess we all learned something, lol.

 

[Omicron]

All normal Fortune rules apply for TC tools: it only increases drops on ores that do not drop themselves. In other words, coal yes, iron no, redstone yes, gold no. You get the picture. The addition of the smelting feature makes those ores that drop themselves and are smeltable directly trigger Fortune as well. Iron and gold fall under that header. However, there are ores which drop themselves but are not smeltable directly, such as GregTech's bauxite (which requires electrolyzation to process, not smelting). Fortunesmelt will not work for those no matter what.

Also, for the hammer... IF it is correctly set to work on ores, then you might still run into issues with the area effect. Fortune might potentially only apply to the block you mine directly, and not to those around it that get broken as a secondary effect. I've never experimented with it though.

 

[Vovegog]

I just tested it in creative, and you are partially correct Omicron. I set up a 3x3 area with stone in the middle and lapis around on the corners. I used a fortune 3 hammer and got almost 1 and half stack of lapis. So fortune DOES work with the area of effect hammer, no matter what type of block you are mining initially.

 

[SonOfABirch]

and did you try the same test with no fortune on the hammer?

 

[Vovegog]

Nope, but I tried with diamonds on the edges as well, and they don't usually drop 3-4 diamonds per block.

 

[Omicron]

Good to know then. Admittedly I last saw the hammer when it was newly added, so maybe mDiyo decided afterwards that it wasn't justifying its cost with only being a stone excavation tool.

 

[SonOfABirch]

I find it hard to justify the cost of any of the newer items.. :/

 

[Vovegog]

To be fair, considering how OP the Hammer is with fortune 3, it justifies the cost I think. I mean, it costs.. 8x2 .. about 20 iron to make a hammer? You can mine IMMENSELY faster with it because it takes a 3x3 area, so you'll quickly haul in the expenses. I mean, I sat for an hour and filled my gold chest to the brim with coal, gold, iron, apatite (14 stacks), lead, tin - you name it.

And when I got to making TE machines I was low in copper, so I went down to layer ~60 for half an hour, maybe 15 minutes and got back with 5 stacks of copper after I'd smelted it (doubled).

 

[SonOfABirch]

if you're making it with iron yes.. but getting a huge amount of cobalt/ardite is no small task..

 

[Vovegog]

You don't really need a hammer made of ardite or manyullin, lol do like me, hammer for large-scale excavating and a pick for careful mining (obsidian, ardite etc).