IMO reading all the previous comment no one is seeing the obvious. Gregtech made his version to be the only version he wants working. This clearly points to him not wanting any other mod to be used in conjunction with his. Just let Gregtech work with vanilla minecraft and thats the end of all his and everyone elses problems. If people want to use Gregtech then this is the only option available to them. Vanilla and Gregtech otherwise players should get what other mod makers are trying to work together. End of all problems.
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Well I think MOST people agree on something, Greg is a dick, I'm with mDiyo on this, If greg can change recipes for balance then why cant mDiyo? if I must choose between Gregtech and Tinkers Construct I would pick TC, Yes gregtech allows us to use cool machines and makes gameplay longer, Tinkers gives us cool tools and makes the gameplay more fun. Quality over Quantity. Before I liked how hard gregtech is, but it requires about 7 stacks off planks for a alveary so about 3.5stacks of logs for it, honestly thats to long. Gregtech is considered a IC2 addon so why does it change Vanilla, Forestry, Buildcraft and who knows what other mods? If a mod is a addon to IC2 then only change IC2. Again a final quote. I said already.
Quality over Quantity.
Quality over Quantity.
This is wrong. But if I am wrong - correct me: GT adds some good crossmod interop, with thaumcraft for example. No, it is not as bad as well known BTW.
As stated nicely by you what the situation is, I think this topic/thread should not be about whether GT crossed the line here (because it has), but whether we as a community would like FTB to remove GT from (most) modpacks or not and if not therefore forgiving Gregorius for crossing the line.
I am definitely on the side of removing GT since crossing the line for me means that the line crosser should feel the consequences. If we would just accept his actions now he probably hasn't learned and at the next minor issue with his mod he could do it again or worse. After some time without GT (like about 1 MC version) and an apology from Gregorius and a promise he won't do such horrible things again and let other mods nerf what they want since that is also what GT does, he could reenter the scene. Though I have had it for now with him, especially since it looks like he is not sorry for his actions, where mDiyo has already presented a humble explanation of the situation AND an apology on his side, while in my opinion there is (way) more to blame on Gregorius.
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You do realize that most, if not ALL mods change vanilla, right?
Not to mention that the wood nerf can be undone by using a sawmill. either his or the thermal expansion one... not to mention that wood is wood, does anyone ever had a problem whit wood?
People are now super misinformed, Greg is a dick but if he did not change nearly as much recipes as people think the most noticeable ones being the famous bronze nerf, whit now that that forestry multiblock farms require no bronze is nowhere as bad as before, and the quarry nerf witch a lot of people like.
You should research a little more before making assumptions regarding redpower....Eloraam the author of redpower is back and working on redpower for 1.6. And lastly this is not a Redpower thread so why try to hijack a thread with something totally unrelated to the topic at hand?
Thats what I thought the topic was but reading Jaded's initial post, it states that the topic is simply '...the recent conflict with GregTech and Tinker's Construct.' not whether we as a community want it removed or not.
So...yeah.
Also, you say that the 'line crosser should feel the consequences', but in this case, the consequences will not be on Greg, but the people who actually like GregTech. In my opinion, Greg couldn't give a rodent's rectum whether his mod is included in FTB or not.
greg is starting to remind me of flowerchild having a big temper tantrum then making his mod incompatible with other mods. But a least fc had a good reason and hits mod can stand by itself.
It is indeed what I think it should be about but reading not only jadeds post but also the others it looks like the topic is going in a whole different direction (which is heading nowhere)
The point of having GregTech installed is you are accepting that he nerfs things. If you just like the new machines (Which I rather enjoy personally) there is not just one but several config files which are very neatly and carefully organized which even if you do not undeerstand you can view hundreds of forums on how to change specific features.
As far as I can tell Greg acted in retaliation because someone was overriding his mod which would force the user to ignore the balance implemented by GT without them even knowing most of the time (Honestly most FTB players do not live on these forums or follow these dramatic events). This could cause users to think less of his mod if they thought his "balance" still allowed such blatant exploits.
All Greg did was the exact same thing that was done to his mod and no it was not borderline "malware" or whatever clever virus genre you think this applies to. He made it so his mod required his config files to match what the game was loading or the game could not run...which the configs are one of the main points of having GT installed. This is similar to if someone override his mod and disabled the industrial electrolyzer.
Whether you like GT or not is honestly irrelevant to this discussion so try and set your bias aside for a minute and look at it in a rational manner.
As far as I can tell Greg acted in retaliation because someone was overriding his mod which would force the user to ignore the balance implemented by GT without them even knowing most of the time (Honestly most FTB players do not live on these forums or follow these dramatic events). This could cause users to think less of his mod if they thought his "balance" still allowed such blatant exploits.
All Greg did was the exact same thing that was done to his mod and no it was not borderline "malware" or whatever clever virus genre you think this applies to. He made it so his mod required his config files to match what the game was loading or the game could not run...which the configs are one of the main points of having GT installed. This is similar to if someone override his mod and disabled the industrial electrolyzer.
Whether you like GT or not is honestly irrelevant to this discussion so try and set your bias aside for a minute and look at it in a rational manner.
Do you know why that will never happen?
Mindcrack is not maintained by the FTB team, as long as the mindcrack guys play whit gregtech there is nothing the FTB community can do to remove it(not to mention that the one who really likes gregtech is etho who has 1 million viewers backing him up)
Yet the consequences are an important part of the discussion. Is simply allowing him to do this sort of shit tolerable? It shouldn't be.
There are multitudes of solutions to this, but allowing him to skip away scot-free isn't one. It encourages this sort of behavior.
Ah, like how he overrides EVERY IC2 recipe? How he overrided Forestry Bronze until sengir went "F- that"? How he overrided BC recipes?
Okay, so we're supposed to accept the GT nerfs things? Accept this: TiC buffs things. Choose one or the other.
Yet if you watched Etho, you'd see he hardly touches IC2 in general, much less Gregtech. All of the FTB items he uses that are remotely IC2 related are all third party (advanced nanochest, forestry eu generators, mining laser). He has hardly gotten into GT before, and has even said that he feels somewhat bad for making others play with it despite him hardly touching it.
Consensus from many other mindcrackers is not pro-GT either.
There are multitudes of solutions to this, but allowing him to skip away scot-free isn't one. It encourages this sort of behavior.
Ah, like how he overrides EVERY IC2 recipe? How he overrided Forestry Bronze until sengir went "F- that"? How he overrided BC recipes?
Okay, so we're supposed to accept the GT nerfs things? Accept this: TiC buffs things. Choose one or the other.
Yet if you watched Etho, you'd see he hardly touches IC2 in general, much less Gregtech. All of the FTB items he uses that are remotely IC2 related are all third party (advanced nanochest, forestry eu generators, mining laser). He has hardly gotten into GT before, and has even said that he feels somewhat bad for making others play with it despite him hardly touching it.
Consensus from many other mindcrackers is not pro-GT either.
They are important but irrelevant.
It is futile to argue about the consequences when the perpetrator doesn't care about the punishment one bit.
Greg is that trouble-maker in high school who is always in detention, day-in, day-out, never learning his lesson or their consequences, because he simply Does. Not. Care.
Gt is as yet not a stand-a-lone mod, but seems to be heading that way, so atm he still depends on other mods to a small or larger extent.
I think he'd care if RichardG gave him the middle finger and threatened to boot him out. It's not like RG is particularly infatuated with Greg.
Even the high school bad boy is scared of getting kicked out of the house.
Yes & when I did I publicly apologized to the injured party.
That is neither here not there, we're talking about FTB.
What you're saying is a completely different, internal situation that I think we should leave to the IC2 people.
I can't comment on RichardG and Greg's relationship as I don't know what that situation is like.
In startup.. yes. Also gives you an error about the exception. It is a mod refusing to start.
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