[LISTED][1.7.10]BlastOff! [Hardcore/EasyCore, HQM][170++Quests] version 1.3.3STABLE
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I just realized something hilarious. You can't craft a diamond pickaxe, but in 1.2.4 I found a haunted diamond pickaxe that dropped well, a diamond pickaxe. You can use this diamond pickaxe to create an open blocks block breaker. The alternative recipe costs 32805 cobblestone, 9 diamonds, and 27 redstone. I guess I really should of waited to play this pack, the version should be 0.x.x as nothing is really polished in it.
I think the old recipes are left intact for some things on purpose, like the block breaker & pump. After all, making a cobble gen with Steve's carts doesn't cost much either (some iron, some redstone, few glowstone, few gold ingots, sticks)
That's intentional. For some recipes that require vanilla tools there is an alternate version added with a more expensive cost, for others there is no alternate recipe and you need to find the tools as drops.
I have been playing for 3000 minutes with 2000 mob kills, and I have not seen a single haunted diamond tool. They are not common, it's probably easier for most to grind out the cobble with another gen.
@MrOomi1974 has made some really nice suggestions concerning the steam quests here.
Generally speaking the quest reward should either reflect something that we can use along with the stuff that we just made to give it some value (some ores to smelt after making seared brick for the smeltery for example), or give us a headstart on the following quests by giving a part of the material needed (some brass ingots for the first steam quests).
The last quest of a line could then give a reward that points at the next line to keep the complete chain running.
Some stuff that I noticed from a non quest point of view:
1. Never change the rules of the game while its running already.
I have spent some more thoughts on the on the uproar concerning the water changes. I think what freaked people out (including myself at first) was that some fundamental mechanics got changed while some players have been several days worth of playtime into the game. Now suddenly the frame changed for no legitimate (read game breaking error) reason.
Nobody likes games where rules change in mid air (especially when you have sunken enough time into it already) ... you should try to avoid such things in the future or at least keep the old mechanics alive with lesser yield, making the new ways more attractive but keeping the old alive.
2. Long lasting motivation
I am not that deep into the pack yet (about to start some steaming or botania this week) because I restarted the map. But from what I hear here is that a lot of people are complaining about the massive grind. I think everybody sees that the idea of this pack is to keep people occupied for a longer time.
This is good since a good deal of pack give the goodies too fast too easy.
Yet I would rather go into a dangerous dungeon to get some rare ressources and fight for them, then to farm an ungodly amount of stuff just to progress. Mindless overpowered grind kills every motivation after some time.
While grinder mmos a wildly popular in asia, the model won't have the same success in a european/american community, it will cause massive frustration instead. Make us earn things ... thats ok ... but let us not do slave labour.
3. Continuity
I like the new way of using the vat for cooking food. Its an interesting idea, and makes the vat a variable and useful item.
Yet today I had my potato farm at the point where i had my first yield of surplus potatos. I threw them in the vat and to my surprise I noticed that they won't cook there, and have to be cooked in a vanilla furnace.
I don't know whether it is possible or not, but I would prefer to have one appliance to prepare food in and not having to keep several appliances from different mods for a part of the various foods.
While I see the need for special appliances (to make steamed food for example), the old regular cooking should have one item to take place in.
I hope these ideas help a little.
Little Edit on Point 2:
Check the witchery mod sometime. I think its a perfect example how it can keep people occupied without feeling grindy. It has the (in my eyes) perfect balance here.
Because no one would even bother with steve carts if they had enderIO farmers? those farmers are kinda op
How can help be included on getting to bunkers when they are completly randomly generated? xD
Load a backup of your map, ill try to fix this in the next version of the map Q_Q
How to I store rf energy? Do I just use the ae cells or mekanism ones or..? And what's the best way to transfer power? The books gives ways to create rf via the generators, yet it doesn't tell you how to store it.. Maybe something to add @karmarcharger ?
Sometimes we call them zombies. Had one friend who sleeps 2 hours a day, balances gaming and school. He's crazy.
1.2.6 world downloads here...
These worlds are free of bugs
Fixed the long standing slime leaves spire issues in them :3https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwBj-5MfhNG_bmh2Ujl6S3JlOEU/view?usp=sharing
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Steamcraft will be intergrated into
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Basically all the recipes that ^ has would require some form of flaxbeared stuff, EG instead of using gold ingots, the recipes will require gilded irons, the kinectic tools would require to be upgraded from steamcraft tools etc
I really didnt want to change the frying pan mechanics, however due to the developer being not too active, and almost all the cooking items can dupe stuff, i had no choice but to switch the cooking stuff to the Vat
I really didnt want to change the frying pan mechanics, however due to the developer being not too active, and almost all the cooking items can dupe stuff, i had no choice but to switch the cooking stuff to the Vat
Ouch, now thats a bummer. Nevertheless I like the solution (even though I have to pick the zombie meat from the vat with gloves now
). It just that I would like to cook stuff like the vanilla food there as well, not having to care where to throw them That will be implementedOuch, now thats a bummer. Nevertheless I like the solution (even though I have to pick the zombie meat from the vat with gloves now
thanks for the suggestion I'm sorry but breaking the rules is causing more of a disturbance than informing you that you are breaking the rules inadvertently, also informing you so that you don't get reported for it is not mini-modding. I spoke with Flipz about it and was assured that double posting is posting twice in a row, period. Then Flipz said what I said, "The edit button is there for a reason" and that was weird that we said the same thing. Informing was a mistake apparently and as I told Flipz I will not inform anymore I will just hit the report button.
I disagree, sugarcane was not the obvious choice, Ex Nihilo is in the pack and so anyone who has used that mod before in the new Yogscast modpack or in Agrarian Skies or wherever else would have assumed that sugarcane would have been easy to get and would have grabbed the food option since you were given a limited amount of food. It is only until later are you able to realize that a lot of Ex Nihilo is disabled. BUT I can understand limiting getting sugarcane later by forcing the player to use Kawaii seeds or automating dirt to smash compressed dirt, I am just saying that sugarcane is in no way the obvious choice.
It is probably only in the pack because the modpack dev likes it? It doesn't seem to fit with the plot of the modpack...
True, there are a lot of modpacks out there, few are as good as this one of course but that doesn't mean you can complain about everything.
Ha, when I was playing Agrarian Skies ghasts kept spawning all the time and I was so confused as to why and when I found out why I made a giant glass cage and kept a ghast as a pet.
Ooooh cool!
I saw Generikb is using torches with cages over them but I can't find that in NEI, what are they? Do they prevent fire spread?
Also I can't seem to generate pearls, do they need sunlight or something like that?
I think that is purposeful.
TiC workbenches don't notice the inventory of a chest next to it for NEI autofills.
Steamcraft will be intergrated into
https://buildcraftadditions.wordpress.com/
Basically all the recipes that ^ has would require some form of flaxbeared stuff, EG instead of using gold ingots, the recipes will require gilded irons, the kinectic tools would require to be upgraded from steamcraft tools etc
So what you are saying is that once again you are making the "not iron" ores even less valuable. I'm sitting on over a thousand each of osmium, tin, aluminum, zinc, and copper, but I'm out of iron again (and a quarter to a third of my iron comes from mob drops). Why are those ores even in the pack? You use a handful of aluminum on alumite, there is more zinc than copper in the spires (and equal probability from meteors) but you need 3 copper for each zinc in brass. and now you are going to take some of the few recipes that use something other than iron and switch them to iron? Why not just make it galgadorian metal? or better yet, bedrockium blocks. It's not like your approach is based on any form of balance or actual progression.
And you are right, who would ever voluntarily use a mod as clunky as steve's carts when other mods have better functionality and are easier to figure out. (and less laggy, and don't have carts that break and despawn when the trees catch fire) The ender io farmer is less op than MFR, at least it requires tools that have to be replaced. (and in your version the upgrades are very costly)
Instead of impossible, unbalanced recipes this pack needs a gregtech like Tiered tech system. I need this mod to craft an Item I need for that mod, but once i'm in the mod i can make that thing with that mod. Who would ever play greg tech if they were still forced to use hand tools in the nuclear age? Every tech mod in the pack requires the same level of tech to use all you are doing is making it grindy, there is no progression. And this "you must upgrade the steam tools" thing isn't forcing me to use flaxbeard, it's just making the recipe more grindy. Nobody is going to use those steam tools except for as a novelty when TiC is in the pack, as they don't do anything special.
The only progression I've seen in this pack was Pneumatic PCB->SAG Mill for AE silicon->Logic processor + blacksmith anvil (automate-able) into PCB, a progression that took me most of the way through one mod into a second and then a third, and I finally had something that was cheaper and easier, thanks to the tech progression.
How about this, instead of making botania recipes as grindy as everything else, you make it a starting mod. You need manasteel to make your first compressed iron with the tnt (only magic metal survives the explosion), but you can use the pressure chamber on regular iron. Mana armor is op because zombie's can't one shot you? just disable it, or make the recipe require a top tier Ender IO component or a mekanism alloy.
So now i have Ender IO, I need some Ender IO alloy to get into the Mekanism Machines (but I have an alternate mekanism component/recipe once i'm into the mod. I appreciate a forced progression but the grind is starting to get out of control.
You also eventually need an alternate way to get to drinkable water through one of the later mods that doesn't still require beginning of game mechanics. I would eventually like to be able to stop using the blacksmith (key word "Progression")
And you are right, who would ever voluntarily use a mod as clunky as steve's carts when other mods have better functionality and are easier to figure out. (and less laggy, and don't have carts that break and despawn when the trees catch fire) The ender io farmer is less op than MFR, at least it requires tools that have to be replaced. (and in your version the upgrades are very costly)
Instead of impossible, unbalanced recipes this pack needs a gregtech like Tiered tech system. I need this mod to craft an Item I need for that mod, but once i'm in the mod i can make that thing with that mod. Who would ever play greg tech if they were still forced to use hand tools in the nuclear age? Every tech mod in the pack requires the same level of tech to use all you are doing is making it grindy, there is no progression. And this "you must upgrade the steam tools" thing isn't forcing me to use flaxbeard, it's just making the recipe more grindy. Nobody is going to use those steam tools except for as a novelty when TiC is in the pack, as they don't do anything special.
The only progression I've seen in this pack was Pneumatic PCB->SAG Mill for AE silicon->Logic processor + blacksmith anvil (automate-able) into PCB, a progression that took me most of the way through one mod into a second and then a third, and I finally had something that was cheaper and easier, thanks to the tech progression.
How about this, instead of making botania recipes as grindy as everything else, you make it a starting mod. You need manasteel to make your first compressed iron with the tnt (only magic metal survives the explosion), but you can use the pressure chamber on regular iron. Mana armor is op because zombie's can't one shot you? just disable it, or make the recipe require a top tier Ender IO component or a mekanism alloy.
So now i have Ender IO, I need some Ender IO alloy to get into the Mekanism Machines (but I have an alternate mekanism component/recipe once i'm into the mod. I appreciate a forced progression but the grind is starting to get out of control.
You also eventually need an alternate way to get to drinkable water through one of the later mods that doesn't still require beginning of game mechanics. I would eventually like to be able to stop using the blacksmith (key word "Progression")