Due to time constraints (it was/is/will be a hugely busy weekend here), I'm late to the party again. Surprise! Stuff should hopefully level out slightly after today. This post may be a little longer than intended, since it's the sum of my day's thoughts.
Pyure, you've been the most active and you'll likely be the first to read this; I'll start with you.
I can't decide whether to congratulate or condemn you on the Big Play, so I'll try and do both. I like what you did and hate the way you did it.
Your defense was, without a doubt, a hugely effective turnaround in votes. You started with a wagon of four on you, killed the momentum, knocked off two, and (from what I can tell) successfully got an even larger wagon rolling on Vike. You addressed every accusation that came at you and have been the most active speaker by far, generating conversation and getting a large amount of potential information out there. These are big accomplishments and I do not mean to detract from them.
I do, however, take issue with your methods.
You repeatedly rebuffed every opponent (including all future opponents) with the claim that only wolves and incompetent players would oppose what you did.
Many of your defenses extended off of this in a circular path of reasoning: "My opponents are wolves, therefore I must be town."
From there, and this is the main reason I made this post, I feel like your skill went to your head. Further arguments were based on the concept that you were the best, brightest, and only player making any meaningful contributions towards the town.
I love ya, man, and you really are a good player. But the arguments you've been making today come off as insulting, demeaning, and even a little toxic. They were effective. They are effective, as I type this post out on Day Two and Page 17 of the thread. I just can't say I look forward to a future... you know. At your tier.
...That took much longer than I expected. Sorry, guys, the rest of you don't get a full-blown rant.
Vike: Your main vote for the day was Pyure, on the basis he let you off too easy yesterday.
The reasoning looks vague out of context, but Pyure addressed it and you two seem to have reached an understanding, so it's more or less null at this point.
Real: You seem to have been supporting Pyure for the majority of the day. Whichever team you're on, it looks like you believe Pyure to be your teammate.
Erin: You got four votes in quick succession at the beginning of the day. The wagon may have been at least partially coordinated, but it's kind of hard to tell coordination from herd mentality when most of the votes are called antismites. You seem to have been generally supporting Pyure in the same way Real has; Is there some special convo I'm missing out on?
Nojr: Aside from the reasons Vike brought up, you've been pretty inactive; most of your votes have been antismites, and your posts have been relatively short.
Despite my gripes, I stand by that Pyure's been a very effective player this game. Lynching him would kill a lot of tomorrow's discussion. Real and Erin seem to trust him; not sure if the feeling's mutual, but the big guy would probably be at least somewhat opposed if they were up on the block. Nojr seems like the best candidate by process of analysis and elimination.
Vote 016Nojr
Pyure, you've been the most active and you'll likely be the first to read this; I'll start with you.
On balance, statistically, the teams need to be fairly evenly distributed with good players. Unless its something like an unholy Shazam + Vikestep wolf tandem (it has happened), the good players are eventually going to log on and balance shit out.
First off, thanks!I hope eeffoc and shazam show up and say something; I'm particularly hyped to hear Shazam's thoughts after he analyzes all this.
I can't decide whether to congratulate or condemn you on the Big Play, so I'll try and do both. I like what you did and hate the way you did it.
Your defense was, without a doubt, a hugely effective turnaround in votes. You started with a wagon of four on you, killed the momentum, knocked off two, and (from what I can tell) successfully got an even larger wagon rolling on Vike. You addressed every accusation that came at you and have been the most active speaker by far, generating conversation and getting a large amount of potential information out there. These are big accomplishments and I do not mean to detract from them.
I do, however, take issue with your methods.
You repeatedly rebuffed every opponent (including all future opponents) with the claim that only wolves and incompetent players would oppose what you did.
Correct. Anyone who actually votes me with the evidence on hand is a terrible mafia player or a wolf.
Woops. Just disrespected you.
*IF* I get lynched tonight it is NOT going to be because I played my role incorrectly and came up looking like a wolf. It will be a combination of a) wolves doing the voting, and b) people who are poor-ass mafia players.
I can't say this enough times: this is your pivotal moment where its good town players versus wolf.
Wolves in general: you should keep voting me, it helps identify who you are. Thanks
Many of your defenses extended off of this in a circular path of reasoning: "My opponents are wolves, therefore I must be town."
Dunno about RJS, but I'm town.
It is keenly apparent that wolves are directing this bandwagon, so what do we do about it?
2) If you can't see that I'm a villager, its because you screwed up. Not me.
Aaaaand that was the wrong answer!
So? I don't answer to wolves.
From there, and this is the main reason I made this post, I feel like your skill went to your head. Further arguments were based on the concept that you were the best, brightest, and only player making any meaningful contributions towards the town.
Me, on the other hand: nobody worked as hard as I did to reveal wolves yesterday and produce information.
I am going to deliver a single warning: I played my role perfectly yesterday. I played it strongly like a Mafia Universe player would play my role.
I am not going to reveal my role. It is known to one other player. This is just my ultimatum. I did my part correctly. Who's good at werewolf?
Town, due to time constraints, and as a last ditch effort to help my team, you have 1 (one) hour to fix this sinking ship. I'm done screwing around.
At that point, if I'm not satisfied that anyone cares enough to pay attention, I'll be forced to throw in the towel. In this instance, wolves win, gg.
If you lynch me today, the game is over for town. Town will not win. Town will not win without me. Town will lose. Town will fail without me, Pyure, the totally arrogant bastard, to hold their hands and guide them towards the light. I can't say this enough times: this is your pivotal moment where its good town players versus wolf.
I am not going to apologize for anything I did yesterday. I'm looking back at my work yesterday, and what can I say I did wrong? Some people might think I was too aggressive. Some people may be angry that I 100% led the lynch to string up the_J. But I know better: This is how mafia is properly played. And anyone who thinks differently isn't at my tier.
I love ya, man, and you really are a good player. But the arguments you've been making today come off as insulting, demeaning, and even a little toxic. They were effective. They are effective, as I type this post out on Day Two and Page 17 of the thread. I just can't say I look forward to a future... you know. At your tier.
...That took much longer than I expected. Sorry, guys, the rest of you don't get a full-blown rant.
Vike: Your main vote for the day was Pyure, on the basis he let you off too easy yesterday.
Vike vote-switches but somehow comes off less wolfy as a result. +town.And on that note, Vote the_j because I don't think LAC is a wolf and I think the_j is now likely to be a wolf.
The reasoning looks vague out of context, but Pyure addressed it and you two seem to have reached an understanding, so it's more or less null at this point.
Real: You seem to have been supporting Pyure for the majority of the day. Whichever team you're on, it looks like you believe Pyure to be your teammate.
Erin: You got four votes in quick succession at the beginning of the day. The wagon may have been at least partially coordinated, but it's kind of hard to tell coordination from herd mentality when most of the votes are called antismites. You seem to have been generally supporting Pyure in the same way Real has; Is there some special convo I'm missing out on?
Nojr: Aside from the reasons Vike brought up, you've been pretty inactive; most of your votes have been antismites, and your posts have been relatively short.
Despite my gripes, I stand by that Pyure's been a very effective player this game. Lynching him would kill a lot of tomorrow's discussion. Real and Erin seem to trust him; not sure if the feeling's mutual, but the big guy would probably be at least somewhat opposed if they were up on the block. Nojr seems like the best candidate by process of analysis and elimination.
Vote 016Nojr