why monster has missing mods?

[noah_wolfe]

I swear, people throw around "OP" so much on this site that it has lost all reasonable meaning. What does it really mean anymore?

OP is what it is. It's your opinion (or a consensus of opinions) of how a rule or system within a game detracts from other parts of the design. Of course there are varying degrees of what everyone considers balanced, but no-fuel creative flight for killing a bat... what the hell, you might as well /gamemode 1 and be done with it. That's cool if you like god-mode early in a map (I often do), but you already have the option to cheat stuff in, go creative, or play on a server with that kind of ruleset. It's not taking anything away from you if a pack designer or server admin tries to create some semblance of a progression-oriented experience.

On that note, Advanced Genetics gives you the same creative flight for punching a bat with a spoon, running that through 5 or so machines (if you get the lucky gene) and injecting yourself with the result of the bat gene plus about 28 others. Even in this ... semi-unbalanced implementation (in relation to other forms of flight presented in the pack), you have to at least DO something.

 

[try2bcool]

OP is what it is. It's your opinion (or a consensus of opinions) of how a rule or system within a game detracts from other parts of the design. Of course there are varying degrees of what everyone considers balanced, but no-fuel creative flight for killing a bat... what the hell, you might as well /gamemode 1 and be done with it. That's cool if you like god-mode early in a map (I often do), but you already have the option to cheat stuff in, go creative, or play on a server with that kind of ruleset. It's not taking anything away from you if a pack designer or server admin tries to create some semblance of a progression-oriented experience.

On that note, Advanced Genetics gives you the same creative flight for punching a bat with a spoon, running that through 5 or so machines (if you get the lucky gene) and injecting yourself with the result of the bat gene plus about 28 others. Even in this ... semi-unbalanced implementation (in relation to other forms of flight presented in the pack), you have to at least DO something.

And how, exactly, is it going to ruin your enjoyment of the game if someone can creative fly early in the game? If you don't want to do it, then don't. Some of you take this game way too seriously.
Someone earlier in the thread said it shouldn't be in any pack at any time, it's ridiculous to throw out the baby with the bathwater by ditching the entire mod over 1 aspect of it. And again, the bat morph can be config'd out if you don't want it in there, but it ought to at least be a mod you can slide in there from the launcher at the very least. As a server admin, I like the fun, goofy mods, and the variety they provide, and it really irritates me to have to have people jump through hoops to get all the mods the server has installed, just because the "community" deems one mod or another "OP" and demands that it not be easily accessible on the launcher.
I'll be so glad when the new launcher is done so I can make the pack the way I want and everyone can access it easily.

 

[noah_wolfe]

I'll be so glad when the new launcher is done so I can make the pack the way I want and everyone can access it easily.

Agreed. At the very least it will cut down on these discussions where the spectrum of people who enjoy game design and theory can quit explaining themselves to people who don't give a shit.

 

[Larmonade]

Speaking of "why not mod xyz," I haven't seen *any* modpacks using advanced solars. I thought I saw that it's updated to 1.6, but was really surprised not to see it in tech world 2 or monster. This may not be the place to ask, but...what happened?

 

[Padfoote]

Speaking of "why not mod xyz," I haven't seen *any* modpacks using advanced solars. I thought I saw that it's updated to 1.6, but was really surprised not to see it in tech world 2 or monster. This may not be the place to ask, but...what happened?

Last I checked (about a week ago), it seemed that it was having a few stability issues.

 

[Larmonade]

Last I checked (about a week ago), it seemed that it was having a few stability issues.

Ah, that explains it! Thanks!

 

[SonOfABirch]

Try opening your other eye for a minute.

If you couldn't place blocks, or attack, or do anything else you can do in normal form, while you're a bat, would that make it ok?

My eyes are wide open, I play with a MODPACK, where there are more than just 1 or 2.. the whole point of a modpack is that the mods should work together nicely, but morph eliminates that completely.
Anyway, my views on Morph are already documented..

Yup, it's ridiculously OP... ideas for bringing it in line with other mods level of balance..?
Firstly, bats don't have hands, so you don't get to use your tools or access inventory. Same for other mobs too (except the zombie/Pigman can use weapons)
Secondly, it needs to have some cost.. maybe something like WayOfTimes awesome Blood Magic LP network, where changing into a bat could cost LP, and then it would constantly drain LP for every second that you are transformed.

Speaking of "why not mod xyz," I haven't seen *any* modpacks using advanced solars. I thought I saw that it's updated to 1.6, but was really surprised not to see it in tech world 2 or monster. This may not be the place to ask, but...what happened?

at the risk of some crazy cat lady telling me to stop harping on about it....
RR has it. Personally, in my own spinoff, I disable it because solars are boring blocks of bordom and I'll never again make a single IC2 solar panel.

 

[tedyhere]

My eyes are wide open, I play with a MODPACK, where there are more than just 1 or 2.. the whole point of a modpack is that the mods should work together nicely, but morph eliminates that completely.
Anyway, my views on Morph are already documented..




at the risk of some crazy cat lady telling me to stop harping on about it....
RR has it. Personally, in my own spinoff, I disable it because solars are boring blocks of bordom and I'll never again make a single IC2 solar panel.

 

[Skyqula]

My thoughts? Because if the team gives in to every incremental request then suddenly people will ask why not Dartcraft.

First thing that came to my mind actually aswell as the sole reason for me not wanting to play a single FTB pack. I dont even understand how people can manage there inventory without Dartcrafts superior bag system or the clipboard. I honestly dont

 

[zz_m3rkx_zz]

Do you by any chance know if mekanism has incompatibility issues with Ftb Monster?

 

[SonOfABirch]

Do you by any chance know if mekanism has incompatibility issues with Ftb Monster?

the only thing you're likely to see is ID conflicts which are easy, if tedious, to fix.

 

[trajano080]

It might get some more mods added to it. And I think that Morph SHOULD be in the pack, but it should be disabled by default (I think it's a good mod and I use it, but I have to admit it's way too OP)