What if every mod had a Gregtech version?

[KirinDave]

Well i think SOME People love MFR, but personally I wish it wasnt so easy.

I dont understand something. People complain that they get to 'end game' within hours (or maybe not complaining, they are bragging) of starting a new world, but then no one wants gregtech recipes? People talk about having more resources than they know what to do with in just a few quarry runs, but then suggesting more expensive recipes makes no sense?

Because it's extremely, extremely, extremely lazy game design.

Rather than just make things more expensive, add more things to do.

Also... the whole GAME is tediousness and grind. Why do we craft anything at all? People say they dont like gathering resources, they like building things... why not use Cheat Mode on NEI then, and just cheat in all your stuff, then run a quarry but have it just export into void pipes I guess.

To me, you play a sad version of minecraft. Very sad.

I just think that there are many aspects of the game, we all like building, but if you play survival without cheats, then you also enjoy the grind of the game. Building is not the only thing people enjoy, if they did we would all be in creative mode 100% of the time, or survival with cheats anyway.

There are lots and lots of constraints on Survival. How much things you need per machine in just one tiny slice of it. Factorization was an alternative take on how to lengthen the game and still make it worthwhile and engaging.

 

[SatanicSanta]

Sure you can build just a generator and mfe and then constantly wait forever to have it keep filling back up.

Maybe you don't need a extractor but I'm sure you need tons of rubber and it's pretty close to a need and compressor is for carbon plates unless he's added a different way to do it. The point is your spending hours building ic2/gt stuff so you can use BC.

Actually no. It doesn't take hours to build those machines, it takes minutes. Those machines are mid game game (like the Quarry), especially compared to things like the Matter Fab.

 

[isnowcrash]

Actually no. It doesn't take hours to build those machines, it takes minutes. Those machines are mid game game (like the Quarry), especially compared to things like the Matter Fab.

I wasn't talking about just the crafting. It takes hours to collect the resources, process, craft and set up all those machines.

 

[SatanicSanta]

I wasn't talking about just the crafting. It takes hours to collect the resources, process, craft and set up all those machines.

Actually not. The resources are very basic, mostly just iron. There is only 1 microblock in that mix.
EDIT: Also, GregTech microblocks are great, they tell you how to build it.

 

[RedBoss]

Actually no. It doesn't take hours to build those machines, it takes minutes. Those machines are mid game game (like the Quarry), especially compared to things like the Matter Fab.

In your game they are. When you don't play with IC2, don't care about tech "tiers, " and aren't constrained by linear game style, you see things differently.

 

[isnowcrash]

Actually not. The resources are very basic, mostly just iron. There is only 1 microblock in that mix.
EDIT: Also, GregTech microblocks are great, they tell you how to build it.

You obviously really love GT and that's great but nobody can do that in a few minutes.

 

[SatanicSanta]

In your game they are. When you don't play with IC2, don't care about tech "tiers, " and aren't constrained by linear game style, you see things differently.

I am talking about the resources that are available to you. Believe me, I don't play in a linear way, there just happens to be a way that I like to play, and that involves tiers if GT is installed. Sorry.

Edit: Also, there is a difference between progress and linear.

You obviously really love GT and that's great but nobody can do that in a few minutes.

I don't love the mod, I like it, yes. Once you have the materials, you can craft things and place things very quickly. None of those machines require much work.

 

[isnowcrash]

I am talking about the resources that are available to you. Believe me, I don't play in a linear way, there just happens to be a way that I like to play, and that involves tiers if GT is installed. Sorry.



I don't love the mod, I like it, yes. Once you have the materials, you can craft things and place things very quickly. None of those machines require much work.

Once you have the materials for anything its easy but that's obviously not what i was talking about. My point was you have to spend hours gathering resources, processing resources, crafting and setting up ic2/gt machines just to build something that has nothing to do with ic2 or gt.

This thread is asking if every mod should have a gregtech version. I think gregtech isn't a balanced mod or even a "hard mod" just tedious.

 

[CrissHill]

Because it's extremely, extremely, extremely lazy game design.

Actually, no it's not. The whole point of recipe balance/tougher recipes is to make different solutions useful at different stages of the game. Example: if AE recipes cost you 8 wooden planks why would you ever craft a chest?

The whole point of having configurable recipes (hardmode/easymode) is to have modpacks the possibility to configure this progression to make those mods better suitable for that pack.

If you really still think that making harder recipes is extremely lazy game design, you surely should just press that Creative button and have a blast!

 

[zorn]

Because it's extremely, extremely, extremely lazy game design.

Rather than just make things more expensive, add more things to do.



To me, you play a sad version of minecraft. Very sad.




There are lots and lots of constraints on Survival. How much things you need per machine in just one tiny slice of it. Factorization was an alternative take on how to lengthen the game and still make it worthwhile and engaging.

Please spare me the condescension. It's very simple: tell me why you don't cheat items in? If you're building all this grandiose shit and are so superior to the sad sad people like me why do you waste your time crafting anything at all?

Of course it would be ideal for mod designers to just add more content but the 'struggle' is PART of the fun in playing this game and more expensive recipes seemed, IMO, to be an easy change to make.

You do realize people play vanilla minecraft and collect resources by hand right? You're laughing at people who want more of a challenge when the vast majority of minecraft players mine by hand with vanilla ore gen! And you think gregtech is tedious?

I'd like to see some examples of what you build too. You're so arrogant in almost every post, could I see some of this magic? Show me the way! Educated me on the ways to be a Zen master of FTB oh great one! Ill post my base right now, wanna see my sad sad play style?

 

[SatanicSanta]

Please spare me the condescension. It's very simple: tell me why you don't cheat items in? If you're building all this grandiose shit and are so superior to the sad sad people like me why do you waste your time crafting anything at all?

Of course it would be ideal for mod designers to just add more content but the 'struggle' is PART of the fun in playing this game and more expensive recipes seemed, IMO, to be an easy change to make.

You do realize people play vanilla minecraft and collect resources by hand right? You're laughing at people who want more of a challenge when the vast majority of minecraft players mine by hand with vanilla ore gen! And you think gregtech is tedious?

I'd like to see some examples of what you build too. You're so arrogant in almost every post, could I see some of this magic? Show me the way! Educated me on the ways to be a Zen master of FTB oh great one! Ill post my base right now, wanna see my sad sad play style?

All of this is YOUR opinion. You are not a mod author, you don't know what the mod authors want. If they want their items to be crafted a certain way, then it will be crafted that way. You aren't a client of theirs who is paying them, you are some Joe who happened to found some mods. Quit being a condescending ass and play the game, and I'm not just referring to MC.

Once you have the materials for anything its easy but that's obviously not what i was talking about. My point was you have to spend hours gathering resources, processing resources, crafting and setting up ic2/gt machines just to build something that has nothing to do with ic2 or gt.

This thread is asking if every mod should have a gregtech version. I think gregtech isn't a balanced mod or even a "hard mod" just tedious.

I can't really give any input on whether or not GT makes you need more resources (I think that is what you were getting at), because with any reasonable sized modpack (50+ mods) I mine for, literally, hours. Regardless of GT, or even if I need the resources. As a slightly wise, top hat wearing, blue creeper once said, "I find mining to be very cathartic, if you don't know what that means, Google it."

 

[khorozm]

what makes GregTech is not just its difficulty, but its complexity

 

[Vauthil]

And what could have been turned into an uplifting discussion of perhaps something along the lines of the Magic Farm Balance Mod instead turns into the same old same old as some individuals refuse to acknowledge that (a) other people have opinions too (b) other people are allowed those opinions just as you are (c) playing things like the "well why you don't just play Creative" card is inherently flawed and personally insulting incitement that is very different from just having an opinion about how a mod is put together and that that kind of resorting to the personal dimension is the reason why moderators have to step in, not the topic itself.

Ergo:

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