Werewolf FinalWolf (GAME THREAD)
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I want to back you up, but SpwnX is correct in the sense that there's no particular reason why he can't be the legit hero. For that matter, you both might be. If that's true, it leaves Vikestep mathematically as the only one who can possibly be the wolf (since I already know my identity, gideon's and squid's)
Off-topic: Vikestep appears to be in full-blown classic wolfmode now. Nobody is getting "roleblocked." His Roleblocking claim is a weak pile of wolfshit. His "mad-warrior" attack didn't work because wolves cannot do mad warrior attacks.
I kind of have to recommend we consider dogpiling Vike at this point, but, whatevs.
Squid: I'm not sure why I keep trying to help you, but you're currently trying to vote for the person who a) tried to bail you out of being lynched, and b) wouldn't have tried to bail you out of being lynched if he was a wolf.
If that's the kind of person you are, duly noted, vote me.
I suddenly sorta wish we still had a medium. I wonder wtf is going on in the dead convo.
I had raised an idea a couple games ago where the dead are contributing votes to the game. It would suck if the dead are voting who to kill each night.
I had raised an idea a couple games ago where the dead are contributing votes to the game. It would suck if the dead are voting who to kill each night.
Nod, my favorite part is where Vikestep phones me up and divulges his most important secret on day 1. I'm guessing...some people actually think he'd do that?
Fair point.
So I call for help @Gideonseymour , reveal to us all the talk Pyure, VikeStep, Eruantien and of course me, have done till now.
Don't forget who started what and when if possible.
@LivingAngryCheese , considering we have an even number of players. What happens if the last two players are a wolf and a villager?
So I call for help @Gideonseymour , reveal to us all the talk Pyure, VikeStep, Eruantien and of course me, have done till now.
Don't forget who started what and when if possible.
@LivingAngryCheese , considering we have an even number of players. What happens if the last two players are a wolf and a villager?
Brief out-of-character comment: how would you want that provided? Rules specify no direct quotes, and that's a lot of stuff to tweak :\
I don't think its a bad idea, we just might want to confirm that he won't be breaking any rules if he doesn't spend 2 hours cleaning it up first.
I don't think its a bad idea, we just might want to confirm that he won't be breaking any rules if he doesn't spend 2 hours cleaning it up first.
I thought about this last night. I decided it depended on which came first, murder or lynch. In the event that murder comes first, if Vikestep and a villager are the only players left, Vike wins.
(See what I did there?
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ok so privately and not publicly?
Also, some of us have been receiving redacted versions (redact used in the conventional sense)
Also, some of us have been receiving redacted versions (redact used in the conventional sense)
Okies. Fwiw, here's my convo with Vikestep in its entirety, without direct-quoting. The spy can confirm up to yesterday, and can confirm anything else after today.
ooc: best convos of every game are always with Vikestep I think I sum up perfect how I handle them in my first reply to him.
I injected two editors notes because they tickled me.
ooc: best convos of every game are always with Vikestep
I think I sum up perfect how I handle them in my first reply to him.I injected two editors notes because they tickled me.
Vikestep: There’s a 5% chance statistically you are a wolf and given your posts in the game thread I don't think you are a threat.
If you wanted to know, I am a mad warrior. You of course can choose to trust me or not. Up to you
Pyure: Thanks! My policy is, of course, to always, 100% trust you.
Vikestep: As much as he is suspicious. I don't think SkeletonPunk is it. I've seen him as a wolf and he is never this outgoing. Either he is terrible at wolf strategy or just a nervous villager who legitimately feels insulted by you. I annoyed him a previous game by calling his actions stupid. I didn't think he would take it like that but he did.
I'm still gonna vote for him since there is no one better right now
Pyure: Dood, there is a 19/20 chance I'm totally wrong. But what else do we do with (probably) just one wolf to work with.
At the end of the day, villagers are going to accidentally lynch each other sometimes and the best we can do is try to analyze how it went and where it points to.
(I agree there's a strong chance he's just making mistakes)
VikeStep: Yeah let's think about the end scenario. The Wolf has been incredibly sneaky the entire game and it gets down to 4 people. By then the group needs to collectively know three of the roles otherwise they risk lynching a villager and wolf killing another letting the Wolf and a villager live meaning we lose.
It's not a problem we can act on right now but keep it in your head. Also, I say 4 people because it's the worst case scenario possible.
Pyure: Just to be clear:
Evidence you're a villager: You'd consider me a greater threat than SoraZodia, and I'm still alive.
Evidence you're a wolf: You D1 role-claimed a role specifically that says "voting against me is bad for your health." This is extremely your style of play.
Setting that aside: I think the chance of there being only one "simple" wolf is ridiculously small. I suspect the wolf either converts people at night, or converts someone at death. Most likely the latter.
Vikestep: Well to address your second point I actually am the mad warrior this time. Not sure how I can prove it except by using it and dieing.
Pyure: I'm fine with that.
fwiw, your thoughts on RJS? He's a bit suspicious to me.
Vikestep: Hmm I'll have to have a better look but I didn't suspect him. Also just got contacted by the spy he saw my message to you. Did you get contacted by him?
Pyure: Yessir. Outside of hidden magic, I'd say his role is "proven".
Vikestep: You know, with my reputation its easy to act stupidly. I wonder why I posted what I did...
Pyure: Hrm nod, I hadn't read the thread yet. But my first instinct tbh was to change my vote and clarify that my vote was primarily antismite.
Vikestep: btw, I figured out a way to win if we end up with 4 people. As long as I know one of the people alive we can win.
Basically let's say I am Person 1, the person I know is Person 2, and the others are Person 3 & 4. I tell Person 2 to vote for Person 3, I vote for Person 4. I act wolf-like and get Person 3 & 4 to vote for me. I use my ability on Person 4 and since powers occur before lynching all that will be left is Person 2 and Person 3. Since Person 3 has one vote on them they are lynched and the only person left is Person 1 who I know is a confirmed villager
Pyure: That probably makes sense? [ EDITORS NOTE: NOPE I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THIS ]
Vikestep: So it seems I have been wrong since day one hey? Oh dear. Apparently the Wolf has a role blocking ability you wouldn't know anything about this would you pyure?
Pyure: Sorry friend, can you clarify? I'm actually failing to decipher the majority of that statement.
Vikestep: I was role blocked last night using mad warrior on you. Interesting since there is nothing in the rules that mention role blocking.
Pyure: Nm I get it. I suspect you're trying to deflect suspicion away from yourself by pretending to suspect me.
Spwnx today. You tomorrow probably, my post on the main thread notwithstanding.
“I was role blocked last night using mad warrior on you. Interesting since there is nothing in the rules that mention role blocking.” --> I would imagine this is a lie.
Vikestep: Nope. I think you are the Wolf. You know it's true. Come on. Boring old villager? Yeah right. You were a great wolf this game but I got you.
Pyure: I almost wish I hadn't locked on Spwnx already. This smacks of your typical agitation when I have your role identified. The good news? I don't. I genuinely don't know if you're the wolf or not. You very well could be a mad warrior since only one other person has claimed (and confirmed) that role.
I don't care. I'm voting people in order until I'm eaten or lynched. See you in the next game. [ EDITORS NOTE: YES THIS GAME FRUSTRATES ME ]
Vikestep: It also smacks of my agitation when I have solved the case.
Pyure: Well in this case, sorry, you've neither identified the wolf nor convinced me that you're trying to identify the wolf.
The more I think about it, the more I think that, as a good player, you should be as frustrated about this as I am. The fact that you're cool and collected and making zero effort (before now) to find the wolf suggests that you're content to watch us struggle.
Spwnx today, you tomorrow.
Vikestep: Hopefully you have something constructive to say to my post. Please notice I didnt vote for you as well
Pyure: Not really, looks good.
Any other game, I'd say "duh, Vike's obviously the wolf then", but this game, who the fuck even knows.
From a non-in-character perspective, you'll appreciate how I worded my response. The best part? Its all 100% true, and the very rare instance where I can do that in ww.
Pyure: Question, when you say you were roleblocked, are you suggesting you got a message saying "Your power was blocked tonight" from cheese, or are you saying you asked cheese to do something (mad warrior powerz) and never got a response?
{ No response from Vike; he likely hasn’t woken up yet }
If you wanted to know, I am a mad warrior. You of course can choose to trust me or not. Up to you
Pyure: Thanks! My policy is, of course, to always, 100% trust you.
Vikestep: As much as he is suspicious. I don't think SkeletonPunk is it. I've seen him as a wolf and he is never this outgoing. Either he is terrible at wolf strategy or just a nervous villager who legitimately feels insulted by you. I annoyed him a previous game by calling his actions stupid. I didn't think he would take it like that but he did.
I'm still gonna vote for him since there is no one better right now
Pyure: Dood, there is a 19/20 chance I'm totally wrong. But what else do we do with (probably) just one wolf to work with.
At the end of the day, villagers are going to accidentally lynch each other sometimes and the best we can do is try to analyze how it went and where it points to.
(I agree there's a strong chance he's just making mistakes)
VikeStep: Yeah let's think about the end scenario. The Wolf has been incredibly sneaky the entire game and it gets down to 4 people. By then the group needs to collectively know three of the roles otherwise they risk lynching a villager and wolf killing another letting the Wolf and a villager live meaning we lose.
It's not a problem we can act on right now but keep it in your head. Also, I say 4 people because it's the worst case scenario possible.
Pyure: Just to be clear:
Evidence you're a villager: You'd consider me a greater threat than SoraZodia, and I'm still alive.
Evidence you're a wolf: You D1 role-claimed a role specifically that says "voting against me is bad for your health." This is extremely your style of play.
Setting that aside: I think the chance of there being only one "simple" wolf is ridiculously small. I suspect the wolf either converts people at night, or converts someone at death. Most likely the latter.
Vikestep: Well to address your second point I actually am the mad warrior this time. Not sure how I can prove it except by using it and dieing.
Pyure: I'm fine with that.
fwiw, your thoughts on RJS? He's a bit suspicious to me.
Vikestep: Hmm I'll have to have a better look but I didn't suspect him. Also just got contacted by the spy he saw my message to you. Did you get contacted by him?
Pyure: Yessir. Outside of hidden magic, I'd say his role is "proven".
Vikestep: You know, with my reputation its easy to act stupidly. I wonder why I posted what I did...
Pyure: Hrm nod, I hadn't read the thread yet. But my first instinct tbh was to change my vote and clarify that my vote was primarily antismite.
Vikestep: btw, I figured out a way to win if we end up with 4 people. As long as I know one of the people alive we can win.
Basically let's say I am Person 1, the person I know is Person 2, and the others are Person 3 & 4. I tell Person 2 to vote for Person 3, I vote for Person 4. I act wolf-like and get Person 3 & 4 to vote for me. I use my ability on Person 4 and since powers occur before lynching all that will be left is Person 2 and Person 3. Since Person 3 has one vote on them they are lynched and the only person left is Person 1 who I know is a confirmed villager
Pyure: That probably makes sense?
[ EDITORS NOTE: NOPE I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THIS ]Vikestep: So it seems I have been wrong since day one hey? Oh dear. Apparently the Wolf has a role blocking ability you wouldn't know anything about this would you pyure?
Pyure: Sorry friend, can you clarify? I'm actually failing to decipher the majority of that statement.
Vikestep: I was role blocked last night using mad warrior on you. Interesting since there is nothing in the rules that mention role blocking.
Pyure: Nm I get it. I suspect you're trying to deflect suspicion away from yourself by pretending to suspect me.
Spwnx today. You tomorrow probably, my post on the main thread notwithstanding.
“I was role blocked last night using mad warrior on you. Interesting since there is nothing in the rules that mention role blocking.” --> I would imagine this is a lie.
Vikestep: Nope. I think you are the Wolf. You know it's true. Come on. Boring old villager? Yeah right. You were a great wolf this game but I got you.
Pyure: I almost wish I hadn't locked on Spwnx already. This smacks of your typical agitation when I have your role identified. The good news? I don't. I genuinely don't know if you're the wolf or not. You very well could be a mad warrior since only one other person has claimed (and confirmed) that role.
I don't care. I'm voting people in order until I'm eaten or lynched. See you in the next game. [ EDITORS NOTE: YES THIS GAME FRUSTRATES ME ]
Vikestep: It also smacks of my agitation when I have solved the case.
Pyure: Well in this case, sorry, you've neither identified the wolf nor convinced me that you're trying to identify the wolf.
The more I think about it, the more I think that, as a good player, you should be as frustrated about this as I am. The fact that you're cool and collected and making zero effort (before now) to find the wolf suggests that you're content to watch us struggle.
Spwnx today, you tomorrow.
Vikestep: Hopefully you have something constructive to say to my post. Please notice I didnt vote for you as well
Pyure: Not really, looks good.
Any other game, I'd say "duh, Vike's obviously the wolf then", but this game, who the fuck even knows.
From a non-in-character perspective, you'll appreciate how I worded my response. The best part? Its all 100% true, and the very rare instance where I can do that in ww.
Pyure: Question, when you say you were roleblocked, are you suggesting you got a message saying "Your power was blocked tonight" from cheese, or are you saying you asked cheese to do something (mad warrior powerz) and never got a response?
{ No response from Vike; he likely hasn’t woken up yet }