Water Tower: Will this cause lag?

[AlanEsh]

This is how I usually do Watermill layers, just for the record

Top down view:
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ M ~ ~
~ M B M ~
~ ~ M ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Side view:

~ ~ | ~ ~
~ M B M ~
~ ~ | ~ ~
~ M B M ~
~ ~ | ~ ~
. . | _ _ _ _ _ _ _ [ MFEs/MFSUs ]


Oh, the B represents Batbox. Lots and lots of inline storage, and all my wires in the tower are copper.

 

[Zelfana]

Just for the record, EU works in integers. While the water mills will output 0.25 EU/t on average they do so by outputting a 1 EU packet every 4 ticks. So 4 water mills cause equal amount of lag compared to 1 solar panel in theory. But the same amount of power output requires 4 times the generators that cause calculations every tick.

 

[Numkin]

Hmmm, is that based off the code? I haven't seen anything like that on the wiki's and didn't know if IC2's code was viewable or not. That's interesting info, so they transmit in integer sized packets. And I'm assumign storage devices/transformers only transmit in their max size packets?

 

[Saice]

Hmmm, is that based off the code? I haven't seen anything like that on the wiki's and didn't know if IC2's code was viewable or not. That's interesting info, so they transmit in integer sized packets. And I'm assumign storage devices/transformers only transmit in their max size packets?

Correct they will collect power until they have enough to send one whole packet. This is why you can hook up say an MFSU to transformer and run out of power in your next work but in the MFSU there will still be a little left.

 

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Hmmm, is that based off the code? I haven't seen anything like that on the wiki's and didn't know if IC2's code was viewable or not. That's interesting info, so they transmit in integer sized packets. And I'm assumign storage devices/transformers only transmit in their max size packets?

Correct, storage devices only transmit in their max size packets. BatBoxes transmit 32 EU/t, MFE's 128, and MFSU's 512. If they have less than this, they will store the energy until they reach that number, then transmit.

 

[Zelfana]

Yes, storage devices always output their maximum packet size. If there is less than that in a storage unit it will not output it even when something would need power. This isn't based on reading the code but using the EU reader and watching the stored EU numbers. You can check this yourself, read the maximum efficiency (0.25 EU/t) water mill directly with two rapid clicks and you get a short hopefully 1 tick reading and you can see it is either 0 or 1. 2 tick reading is 0 or 0.5.

Edit: Heh, got double ninja'd but I did give out more info on it.

 

[Saice]

I will add that with things like the water mill setup this means there will be what looks like power lag. Since a battery box sends 32EU/t packets it can take a few moments before you see power come form your array.

 

[PoisonWolf]

As far as resources go I'm not all to worried about those. I have over 900 diamonds right now, and have 4 quarrys running at 60 MJ/t each. All the mats are piped into a gold/diamond transport pipes sorting system using an item tessaracts. The biggest slow down I have is sand and tin (don't know why tin is so hard to get) and copper, but thats just until we are done with the nuclear reactor. Aluminum isn't bad, and I already have enough iron/redstone to make all of the mills I need.

Sand.....igneus extruder for cobble and macerate cobble into sand.

Tin....centrifuge lava for tin and copper and electrum.

Lastly, I see your 900 diamonds and raise you my 32x64 diamond stack. Lol.

 

[Numkin]

I will add that with things like the water mill setup this means there will be what looks like power lag

This is why I'm building the base of the towers before I start on my main complex. I want sufficent energy built up to where I won't notice that lag

Sand.....igneus extruder for cobble and macerate cobble into sand.

Tin....centrifuge lava for tin and copper and electrum.

I had not thought of this, might give it a try. Though I'm hoping now that I'm running quarries in a tiled Forest/Dessert world, I'll get more sand then I have been getting.

Hopefully by the time I get home, I'll have enough mats to finish up the 40 layers for each of the corner towers. I'll see how much that increase my "tick" lag and that should give me a descent idea if its going to cause any major problems.

 

[Saice]

This is why I'm building the base of the towers before I start on my main complex. I want sufficent energy built up to where I won't notice that lag

Yep thats the best way to do it. that and a bank of storage of some sort.

 

[Numkin]

Ya, i'm not quite sure what I want to do with that. Was thinking about designating an area to do a LESU, I've never messed with one before and I'm starting to accumulate a lot of extra lapiz. Though, I'm sure i'm going to need to make a few AESU to handle additional storage, though it going higher than 512EU packets I don't see as a bonus at this time.

 

[Saice]

Mostly for IC2/GT I just dasy chain Bat Boxes or MFSUs as a buffer in my builds.

As Ive been stearing away from those with the RR mod pack I use engery cubes these days just one into another works for me and then just tap it into my next work from one end.

but the idea is the same. Chain power storage you can afford and add to it as needed. Then I feed all my power systems passive and on demaind into that same buffer and out into my network. Tesseract make this even easier now and I can stash my power in some out of the way place.

 

[PoisonWolf]

Ya, i'm not quite sure what I want to do with that. Was thinking about designating an area to do a LESU, I've never messed with one before and I'm starting to accumulate a lot of extra lapiz. Though, I'm sure i'm going to need to make a few AESU to handle additional storage, though it going higher than 512EU packets I don't see as a bonus at this time.

If you can afford either the AESU or the IDSU, go for those. If those are too costly, mass-produce MFSUs. Don't bother with a LESU, it's honestly a stupid multi-block structure, IMHO, from a functional perspective when you have AESU and IDSU, or even an MFSU.

Mostly for IC2/GT I just dasy chain Bat Boxes or MFSUs as a buffer in my builds.

As Ive been stearing away from those with the RR mod pack I use engery cubes these days just one into another works for me and then just tap it into my next work from one end.

but the idea is the same. Chain power storage you can afford and add to it as needed. Then I feed all my power systems passive and on demaind into that same buffer and out into my network. Tesseract make this even easier now and I can stash my power in some out of the way place.

How do you use tesseracts with EU? I thought tesseracts only applied to MJ?

 

[Saice]

How do you use tesseracts with EU? I thought tesseracts only applied to MJ?

Use something to convert it to MJ.

Eletrical engines would work. if you need EU on the otherside use using soemthing to turn it back like magma curc -> thermals.

Or PC Power convertors work too.

Or Mektek EngeryCubes

 

[PoisonWolf]

Use something to convert it to MJ.

Eletrical engines would work. if you need EU on the otherside use using soemthing to turn it back like magma curc -> thermals.

Or PC Power convertors work too.

Or Mektek EngeryCubes

Oh. I'd consider an IDSU to be better for wireless EU transmission. That seems like a lot of unnecessary conversions. Lol.

 

[Numkin]

Aye, but IDSU's are pretty expensive to make. I was looking at those and its time to go village hoping for all those emeralds, bleh.

Biggest issue I have with tessaract is the fact you lose 25% imediately. Not a fan of that, but it does make life a lot simpler

 

[PoisonWolf]

Aye, but IDSU's are pretty expensive to make. I was looking at those and its time to go village hoping for all those emeralds, bleh.

Biggest issue I have with tessaract is the fact you lose 25% imediately. Not a fan of that, but it does make life a lot simpler

Beeeeeeeeeessssss!

 

[Saice]

Oh. I'd consider an IDSU to be better for wireless EU transmission. That seems like a lot of unnecessary conversions. Lol.

More costly but differently the way to go if your into the full IC2/GT thing.

Biggest issue I have with tessaract is the fact you lose 25% imediately. Not a fan of that, but it does make life a lot simpler

The Loss is not really that noticeable if you build for it. Since it allows for completely remote power you can over build to your hears content. Also if your in SSP it is settable in the configs I believe.

If your primary power is MJ is works better then the IDSU since most EU -> MJ conversions have a loss to them and require onsite systems that take up more space then just the Tesseract

if your primary power is EU then if you can make the the IDSU that is going to be better for you.

 

[PoisonWolf]

Biggest issue I have with tessaract is the fact you lose 25% imediately. Not a fan of that, but it does make life a lot simpler

Well, you can always load more MJ on the frequency so that the receiving end gets the full 100mj/t. And you can use an EU-splitter cable to disable your conversion when you don't need it. I personally love electrical engines and energy tesseracts. One central hub for all my power producing needs, be it EU or MJ.

 

[Numkin]

Right now I have a mj power system putting out around 280 mj

And EU system putting out around 1000 to 1200 eu.

Def use Tess on mj system just way more convenient.

So far 4 40 layer towers isn't killing game. Only seen half a ms gain in tick count.