Was ethanol nerfed?

[John Freeman]

I noticed it's very difficult to keep a steam boiler running on ethanol. Treats it like sticks to a furnace. Any idea who or what mod changed this?

 

[Yusunoha]

I noticed it's very difficult to keep a steam boiler running on ethanol. Treats it like sticks to a furnace. Any idea who or what mod changed this?

we need some more information, like what modpack are you playing, which version, have you added any additional mods, have you changed any configs?

 

[John Freeman]

we need some more information, like what modpack are you playing, which version, have you added any additional mods, have you changed any configs?

1.6, latest versions of BC, Gtech, Railcraft, forestry and some others. Default configs.

 

[John Freeman]

Also personal modpack for 1.6.2;


BetterFurnaces 3.3
AdvancedMachines 1.6.2
Applied Energistics 14 alpha 12
AlternateTerrainGeneration 0.3.0
Buildcraft 4.1.0
Buildcraft Additional Objects 1.0.6.174
ChickenChunks 1.3.3.2
CodeChickenCore 0.9.0.5
ComputerCraft 1.56
DartCraft 0.2.10
denLib 3.1.25
DenPipes 2.1.11
EnderIO 0.3.1.71
EnderStorage 1.4.3.3
ExtraCells 1.4.9e
ExtraUtils 0.3fc
Factorization 0.8.0 beta 17
Forestry 2.3.0.5
GravityGun 2.0.0
Gregtechmod -latest
ichunUtil 2.3.0
immibis core 56.0.5
IndustrialCraft2 2.0.265 Experimental
InventoryTweaks 1.56-b77
IronChest 5.4.1.573
KeithyUtils 1.2
MagicBees 2.1.6
Metallurgy 3.2.3
MFFS 3,3,2,225
MineFactoryReloaded 2.7.1-36
AdvancedSolarPanels 3.3.10 IC2-Exp
GraviSuite 1.9.6 IC2-Exp
ModularPowersuits 0.8.0-15
Mystcraft 0.10.6.00
Natura 2.1.9
NEI 1.6.1.4
Numina 0.0.1-16
OpenBlocks 9.11.0.883 snapshot 217
PortalGun 2.0.1
PowerConverters -build 20
PowerCrystalsCore 1.1.7-7
ProjectRed Base 4.0.1.4
ProjectRed Compat 4.0.1.4
ProjectRed Integration 4.0.1.4
ProjectRed World 4.0.1.4
QuarryPlus 1.5.3.6
Railcraft 8.1.0.0
RedLogic 56.1.1
SoulShards 1.0.39
Steve'sCarts2 2.0.0.a132
Tinker's Construct 1.4.5.1
Thaumcraft 4.0.1b
ThaumicTinkerer 2.0-20
Translocator 1.1.0.12
Tubestuff 56.0.3
TwilightForest 1.19.3
UniversalElectricity Core 2.2.1.175
Waila 1.3.10
WirelessRedstone CBE 1.4.0.5
ZansMinimap

 

[Celestialphoenix]

Open the boiler GUI with a bucket of ethanol in your inv- then mouse over it. It should tell you how long said bucket will last.

The other point being- how big is your boiler?

If you've gone full size they'll eat anything like sticks.​

 

[un worry]

Stoopid question, but is the boiler at max heat? Until it is, it will burn through the juice.

 

[ZethHQ]

Power Converters for 1.6.2? How?

 

[Omicron]

CovertJaguar did something to the fuel values in Forestry 2.3.0.4. I haven't tried it out myself, but here's the changelog quip:

"- Change: Cut fuel values in 1/4 to align with Railcraft, IndustrialCraft standards. (From CovertJaguar) Config values available."

So it's entirely possible that ethanol is worth now only a quarter as much as it was by default. If that irks you, you can probably switch it back in the config.

 

[John Freeman]

CovertJaguar did something to the fuel values in Forestry 2.3.0.4. I haven't tried it out myself, but here's the changelog quip:

"- Change: Cut fuel values in 1/4 to align with Railcraft, IndustrialCraft standards. (From CovertJaguar) Config values available."

So it's entirely possible that ethanol is worth now only a quarter as much as it was by default. If that irks you, you can probably switch it back in the config.

I'm guessing it's the fluid section of the railcraft cfg,

####################
# fluids
#===================
# You can control whether Railcraft defines specific Fluids here.
# However, be aware that if you disable a Fluid that is not defined by another mod,you may suffer errors and unexpected behaivor.
####################
 
fluids {
}

Sadly, I have no clue what to add to this section to change anything. It's blank by default. My only problem with this change is it's pretty much made sapping biofuel impossible. I'm testing a max size MFR farm with 4 harvesters and 4 fertilizers, tested up to 8 fermenters and even 4 maxed out refinery plus's and I still can't make enough fuel to maintain a single large high pressure boiler.

Charcoal on the other hand can handle up to 6 boilers from the same setup.[DOUBLEPOST=1382289056][/DOUBLEPOST]

Stoopid question, but is the boiler at max heat? Until it is, it will burn through the juice.

It wouldn't be possible to get it even close. In FTB 1.1.4 this wasn't nearly the same problem. I had 2 medium sized MultiFarms and was still able to supply 2 boilers with more fuel than they needed.

 

[John Freeman]

Power Converters for 1.6.2? How?

There's a fork of it on Jenkins, https://samrg474.ci.cloudbees.com/job/PowerConverters/

 

[Grydian2]

That won wont work with skyboys fork which is the accepted MFR fork. (skyboy has done about 1/3 of MFR himself with powercrystals) http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic...etherores-updated/page__st__140#entry25157028 That is the proper MFR. In that forum someone has posted a build for power converters and I can happily say it is working great.

 

[John Freeman]

That won wont work with skyboys fork which is the accepted MFR fork. (skyboy has done about 1/3 of MFR himself with powercrystals) http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic...etherores-updated/page__st__140#entry25157028 That is the proper MFR. In that forum someone has posted a build for power converters and I can happily say it is working great.

Except it does, because that's what I'm using.

 

[Grydian2]

Ah looks like he made it independent of the core. Cool...

 

[John Freeman]

Ah looks like he made it independent of the core. Cool...

He made a PCC for a while too, but decided to stop. I suppose you're right, he just made it independent.

 

[John Freeman]

So I guess Biofuel/Ethanol has become crap fuel, I guess only good for combustion engines now. Odd considering it's not really a cheap setup.

 

[Omicron]

I'm guessing it's the fluid section of the railcraft cfg

Nope. It's a Forestry thing. It'll be in the Forestry configs.

 

[Grydian2]

He made a PCC for a while too, but decided to stop. I suppose you're right, he just made it independent.

I read it in the change log for oct 11th which is after I looked at it. Skyboy has way more cred to be working on the mod. So we really should use his. On top of that the samrg change pcc and corupted some of the lang files. It really is best to sue the skyboy version as much as possible. However power converters he isnt going to fork so this is actually great that they work together. Anyways good to see its all coming along well.

 

[John Freeman]

Nope. It's a Forestry thing. It'll be in the Forestry configs.

I see nothing mentioning fluids in the forestry config.

 

[Omicron]

It's probably not in common.conf, but rather in the gamemode files. If it doesn't show up there, try generating a new custom gamemode. It wouldn't be the first time in Forestry's history that the default gamemodes aren't stocked with all feature settings.

I'd look for it myself but unfortunately I don't have an instance with that Forestry version... aaaand I'm also stuck at work.

 

[MigukNamja]

Check config/forestry/gamemodes/<mode>.conf

Here's the settings from config/forestry/gamemodes/EASY.conf, which is the default game mode:

#####################
# FUEL
#####################
# modifies the energy provided by ethanol in Railcraft Boilers.
fuel.ethanol.boiler=1.0

Also note that NORMAL and HARD don't even have such a line in theirs and I have no idea what the default value is for the boiler and indeed, you may be using NORMAL or HARD mode. Verify that via common.conf:

minecraft@miguknamja:~/forge-1.6.4/config/forestry$ grep difficulty.gamemode *.conf
common.conf:difficulty.gamemode=EASY

I've so far only setup a charcoal-fueled boiler and haven't yet setup an ethanol one. However, I plan to increase the above to 2.0 or 4.0 if - like you - I discover that Ethanol has been hit too hard with the nerf bat.

I agree that one full-sized tree farm should be able to power at least one(1) 36HP boiler with Ethanol.