Turtle iron dupe

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Dmyster

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So this has become a huge issue on my server as we have everything else patched !! I'm only a mod but iv supplied all the other patches for my server !

What I am asking is there a way of detecting whena a person dupes with the turtle dupe glitch ? I can't seem to find a way ?
 

Taiine

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This is why most servers, ours as well, have them banned.. On top of that even when they are set to be seen as a 'player' they can still pass through world guarded areas to grief.
 

zorn

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Why do people care about duping? We could all use creative mode and play the game with unlimited resources, we play survival so that we have to work for what we get, as it is more satisfying when you finish building something when you gathered the resources yourself.

So why does it matter if someone dupes?
 

dwappo

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It matters when you're on a server playing with others. Rules are there for a reason.
 

TheLoneWolfling

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There's a turtle duplication glitch?

Assuming there is, you could either try upgrading to a later version of CC (assuming there is one), although that way lies madness for servers, or you could patch CC serverside, although what exactly to patch depends on the glitch.
 

Omicron

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Why do people care about duping? We could all use creative mode and play the game with unlimited resources, we play survival so that we have to work for what we get, as it is more satisfying when you finish building something when you gathered the resources yourself.

So why does it matter if someone dupes?

Zorn: by that same reason we ought to remove the referee from the football field and axe all existing rules. After all, the players could all be savages and cheat and injure each other, but they all know that it is clearly more rewarding to play fair, and will happily call out their own offside even if it costs their team the victory...

...Pfffff, yeah right.

People will opt to cheat over playing fair 9 times out of 10 in any environment where they might be seen and measured in relation to other people, if given the choice and no repercussions. People compete over anything and everything, and to succeed they will be ugly and hurtful and destructive to further their own agenda. This is the internet, where everyone is anonymous, pissing other people off is encouraged and gets you respect from your peers, and nothing you do is of any consequence, except a possible breach of rules. Take away the rules, and there's nothing left.

It matters whether or not someone dupes because the server owner is the server owner and he says so. It matters because those who opt not to cheat because they seek that rewarding experience will have that experience galled by someone else parading around the same thing acquired illicitly that they worked hard for. It matters because a server may attempt to simulate a limited resource environment, or an economy, or both. It matters because exploiting is bad form. It matters because a widely publicized and abused exploit generates negative publicity for the mod in question, even though the author fixed the dupe bug ages ago and players are simply not updating.
 
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zorn

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Hmm well I was asking kind of rhetorically I guess, to see if people agreed with me that duping was not a good idea.

But, no one seems to worried that blaze rods can be created infinitely in FTB Ultimate, so I thought people really didnt care about 'duping' much. Interestingly I joked with my friend on our server that my family took me away from the game and that he and our other friend were 'way ahead of me'. His response was 'it's not a competition'. But it IS a competition of sorts, so duping is really not a good thing.

Really though, minecraft kind of diverges from other ways people compete. Like many online games, it often just comes down to the Time you are able to invest in it. I have a family, my friends are all single that play minecraft with me. They get way ahead of me in terms of mid game/end game stuff and setups.

i kind of consider EE3 to be 'duping'. 4 iron for an ender pearl? is this really much different than me cheating them in to get Tesseracts going far, far earlier than the TE mod creator probably intended? And the blaze rod exploit, turns a valued and hard to get resource into something about as valuable as iron. Maybe.
 

TheLoneWolfling

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i kind of consider EE3 to be 'duping'. 4 iron for an ender pearl? is this really much different than me cheating them in to get Tesseracts going far, far earlier than the TE mod creator probably intended? And the blaze rod exploit, turns a valued and hard to get resource into something about as valuable as iron. Maybe.

I don't know about you, but I can get an ender pearl in less time than I can get 4 iron.
 

Omicron

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I can't. Whenever I'm out looking, none of the freakers will spawn... and when I do find one after three nights of searching, it doesn't drop a pearl :confused:
 

Bibble

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Hmm well I was asking kind of rhetorically I guess, to see if people agreed with me that duping was not a good idea.

But, no one seems to worried that blaze rods can be created infinitely in FTB Ultimate, so I thought people really didnt care about 'duping' much. Interestingly I joked with my friend on our server that my family took me away from the game and that he and our other friend were 'way ahead of me'. His response was 'it's not a competition'. But it IS a competition of sorts, so duping is really not a good thing.

Really though, minecraft kind of diverges from other ways people compete. Like many online games, it often just comes down to the Time you are able to invest in it. I have a family, my friends are all single that play minecraft with me. They get way ahead of me in terms of mid game/end game stuff and setups.

i kind of consider EE3 to be 'duping'. 4 iron for an ender pearl? is this really much different than me cheating them in to get Tesseracts going far, far earlier than the TE mod creator probably intended? And the blaze rod exploit, turns a valued and hard to get resource into something about as valuable as iron. Maybe.

Two points first:
1. Yes, duping is bad. I've used it, but typically in circumstances where the extra time required would have netted no extra enjoyment, and there were no rules (typically play by myself).
2. There is/was an interaction between IC2/TE/AE/etc and EE3 which allowed theoretically infinite blaze powder. However, after the nerf to boilers and the like, it is not spectacularly helpful early game, and late game, there are other, more continuous methods (Soul Shards, MFR Autospawner, etc.) It's know, but not considered to be significant, especially with the relatively low number of recipes that require blaze rods (ender chests, brewing stands, and not a whole lot else, magma creams, maybe).

The philosophical point about letting people get ahead of you and the time required in game for progress is an interesting one, with regards to balance, and one that many games struggle with on a continuous basis (see free-to-play vs. pay-to-win games).

The EE3 ender pearl from iron thing is not a dupe in any real sense. There is no closed loop. The ender pearl cannot be used to make more iron, so you always need to find that to begin with (granted, it's relatively plentiful, but still). To my mind, I quite like it, as it bridges a gap fallen into by a lot of mods. As far as I know (because it makes sense in my head), most mods use ender pearls in their "teleporting stuff" recipes simply because it makes narrative sense. Endermen are the only things in the universe able to teleport, so you need to use their drop to take that power. The pearls also allow you to teleport, so that must be the source.

This is fine, except for the fact that, in my experience, ender pearls are damn difficult to get in the overworld. Wandering around beating stuff up, I'm typically lucky to get one enderman sighting in a night, plus they have more health, hit harder than any other mob, and they teleport. This is one of the main reasons that the End is supposed to be the End. It's tricky to get to, and the boss is troublesome. However, the items made from ender pearls have much more use both in conservation of resources, time and server-power, that it's dubious whether they should be left to end-game. I don't mind piping all the stuff back from my quarry, but it's a pain to move, chunk-load (another ender pearl recipe, by the way, and magic, therefore pearls), and causes stupid amounts of lag.

It's something that doesn't necessarily fit into the EE3 sequences (such as iron>gold>diamond), but it's something that's valuable in bridging the gap between narrative sense and not being a ballache to do.




To OP, I can't seem to see anything about dupe bugs in the CC changelogs (or at least searches, I've not combed through it). Is this the same one that costs a bucket of oil to pull off?
 

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I just tested this after doing some research. It involves water buckets and excavation command.. It no longer is a dupe bug in 1.5.x So its been fixed. I recommend updating to a newer version of MC.
 

Bibble

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Or a bucket of water makes 16 empty buckets !

Ok, so are we talking one of the 1.4.7 packs (minecrack, ultimate, DW20)? If that's the case, then I'm afraid that updates are not going to be forthcoming. Your options are either to update, or to disable the mod (possibly disable turtles), or to disable the recovery of buckets, which would mean that people could get stacks of buckets, but all they could do would be to transport liquids with them.
 

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Either disable CC or disable rp2 alloy smelting and gregtechs smelting recipies. Configs can happen server side without needing to make everyone update.
 

Loufmier

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its a bit weird when people care about iron dupe so much, when there is vanilla iron goelm farm around.

i wonder when fuss about TiC+RC iron dupe will begin.[DOUBLEPOST=1375978109][/DOUBLEPOST]
Either disable CC or disable rp2 alloy smelting and gregtechs smelting recipies. Configs can happen server side without needing to make everyone update.
i`m pretty sure people will still see those recipes in NEI.