Tinker's Construct & Blast Furnaces

[Pyure]

Tinker's construct has a fun recipe for steel, whereby 1 iron + 4 coal = 2 ingots of steel (In Direwolf20 pack in any event).

Unfortunately this doesn't play nicely with modpacks such as Direwolf20 that utilize the Blast Furnace.

After some scanning around here I found I could disable the dust recipe entirely, but that gives you more of an Unhinged problem where you really need to fiddle to get your steel (either ignite your nether portal through odd means, or dig up steel at a village/dimension/temple)

I think the perfect comprimise for me would be if a steel dust produced 2 steel nuggets (or even 1) instead of 2 steel ingots. This would make the Blast Furnace investment make sense. Is this the sort of change I could somehow make myself via config files? Or do I need to beg/bribe mr mDiyo to provide such a config option?

# Configuration file
####################
# crafting BasicComponents.cfg
####################
crafting {
B:"Allow item.basiccomponents:dustSteel Crafting"=true
B:"Allow tile.basiccomponents:copperWire Crafting"=true
}

####################
# item
####################
item {
I:copperWire=3972
I:dustSteel=13987
}

This would only be sensible for scenarios where you have a Blast Furnace recipe that you do not want totally deprecated; any other time, the existing recipe is perfectly reasonable.

tl;dr, I know.

 

[Riuga]

Tinker's construct has a fun recipe for steel, whereby 1 iron + 4 coal = 2 ingots of steel (In Direwolf20 pack in any event).

Unfortunately this doesn't play nicely with modpacks such as Direwolf20 that utilize the Blast Furnace.

After some scanning around here I found I could disable the dust recipe entirely, but that gives you more of an Unhinged problem where you really need to fiddle to get your steel (either ignite your nether portal through odd means, or dig up steel at a village/dimension/temple)

I think the perfect comprimise for me would be if a steel dust produced 2 steel nuggets (or even 1) instead of 2 steel ingots. This would make the Blast Furnace investment make sense. Is this the sort of change I could somehow make myself via config files? Or do I need to beg/bribe mr mDiyo to provide such a config option?



This would only be sensible for scenarios where you have a Blast Furnace recipe that you do not want totally deprecated; any other time, the existing recipe is perfectly reasonable.

tl;dr, I know.

That is MFFS Calclavia. Not TStruct.

 

[Pyure]

You're not the first person I've seen say that, and yet I keep seeing the opposing statement everywhere. My apologies however. This forum takes precedence.

 

[Loufmier]

the only thing that isnt fine about this recipe is 2 dusts as result instead of one.

 

[Pyure]

the only thing that isnt fine about this recipe is 2 dusts as result instead of one.

I'm still an utter moron at all things ftb, but correct me if I'm wrong: even in your scenario, 4 coal + 1 iron = 1 steel in a regular (fast) furnace. Blast Furnace (slow) = 4 coal + 1 iron = 1 steel. So blast furnace is still obsolete by virtue of its speed and comparitive difficulty (kids need to get their nether bricks etc.)

 

[Riuga]

I'm still an utter moron at all things ftb, but correct me if I'm wrong: even in your scenario, 4 coal + 1 iron = 1 steel in a regular (fast) furnace. Blast Furnace (slow) = 4 coal + 1 iron = 1 steel. So blast furnace is still obsolete by virtue of its speed and comparitive difficulty (kids need to get their nether bricks etc.)

1 coal*

 

[Loufmier]

I'm still an utter moron at all things ftb, but correct me if I'm wrong: even in your scenario, 4 coal + 1 iron = 1 steel in a regular (fast) furnace. Blast Furnace (slow) = 4 coal + 1 iron = 1 steel. So blast furnace is still obsolete by virtue of its speed and comparitive difficulty (kids need to get their nether bricks etc.)

it`s neither 4 or 1 coal for blast furnace recipe it`s 1 coal coke(yes, there is difference).alternatively you can use charcoal for blast furnace.
so it comes to coal efficiency:cheap but slow or "pricey" but fast. makes perfect balance and sense to me.

 

[Pyure]

Riuga, I'm dense, can you clarify?

1 coal...via coal coke oven possibly? 1 charcoal doesn't cook iron to steel (just re-confirmed now)[DOUBLEPOST=1378824896][/DOUBLEPOST]Loufmier, I meant charcoal as they're frequently (but not always) interchangeable as fuel sources.

1 coal via coal coke oven is definitely better. Steering directly into personal preference area, I cannot imagine my players going to the extra effort for the boost as it stands, but that's neither here nor there.

I'll call this a moot thread which an erroneous header and move on.

 

[Riuga]

Riuga, I'm dense, can you clarify?

1 coal...via coal coke oven possibly? 1 charcoal doesn't cook iron to steel (just re-confirmed now)[DOUBLEPOST=1378824896][/DOUBLEPOST]Loufmier, I meant charcoal as they're frequently (but not always) interchangeable as fuel sources.

1 coal via coal coke oven is definitely better. Steering directly into personal preference area, I cannot imagine my players going to the extra effort for the boost as it stands, but that's neither here nor there.

I'll call this a moot thread which an erroneous header and move on.

1 coal coke. which costs no more to make then 1 coal. So

1 coal*

 

[Pyure]

Yep, I'm familiar with coal coke, and frequently string up a line of the things, particularly since I think creosote oil seems to be less useless than in Ultimate. I hadn't considered coal coke when doing the math.

I'd still reduce the number of ingots such as Loufmier suggested if I had the option, or go even further, but its good to know I botched the arithmatic and there's at least a somewhat valid use for the furnace as things stand.

Thanks kindly for your input gentlemen, appreciate your time.

 

[Hydra]

Riuga, I'm dense, can you clarify?

1 coal...via coal coke oven possibly? 1 charcoal doesn't cook iron to steel (just re-confirmed now)

You need more charcoal but that's basically free. I run my 2 RC furnaces on charcoal.

 

[SonOfABirch]

lol you think that recipe is cheap... you're funny.

Different Methods of doing it (that I can think of)
Blast Furnace - 1 iron + 1 coal coke + lots of time = 1 steel
MFFS crafting - 1 iron + 4 coal = 2 steel
Metallurgic Infuser - 1 iron + 2 tin dust + tiny bit of charcoal + power = 4 steel

The blast furnace method is arguably the cheapest, yet is just more involved... how is that not a balanced system? The only thing that could possibly throw the balance is the infuser... and tbh, how much do you really need steel anyway?

 

[Pyure]

Steel tanks maybe for condensed liquid storage? That's all I got offhand.

I could be crazy but I think its more like 0.95 coal coke = 1 ingot. Seems I had a few left over after cooking a stack of iron.

 

[Riuga]

1 coal coke = 1.06667 burn time roughly.

 

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Not this again...

MFFS was build around a different dynamic than Railcraft was. So, to answer the questions in probable order:

*No, the two are not balanced.
*No, they are not going to be balanced.
*No, you're not going to convince either mod author to change things.

This is simply a matter of each mod having a different place for 'steel' in their mod. MFFS (and all UE mods, for that matter) use it about like 'reinforced iron' was in IC2 before it went to Iron Plates. It's expected to get to build all but the most basic components. Railcraft uses it as a 'gate' for higher-tier toys.

Your options:

1) Don't use the 4 coal + 1 iron = 1 steel recipe, and accept that you are going to have to wait until you have blast furnaces up and running to get into MFFS
2) Use the 4 coal + 1 iron = 1 steel recipe, and accept that the Blast Furnace is not something you are going to find useful.

 

[Flipz]

and tbh, how much do you really need steel anyway?

Steel armor also looks really cool. CovertJaguar has been stealthily adding decorative blocks and redoing textures lately, and it shows.

 

[MajPayne21]

Random related question: I am on Unleashed 1.1.3, and on my previous worlds (same pack), I was getting 2 steel dust per [4 coal + 1 iron] recipe. I reset my world about a week ago and made no server changes (this is a dedicated server host), but on the new world I am only getting 1 dust per recipe. What might be causing that?

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 4

 

[RedBoss]

Steel armor also looks really cool. CovertJaguar has been stealthily adding decorative blocks and redoing textures lately, and it shows.

I'm pretty sure CJ's armor is plain gray. The textured steel armor is the UE version.

 

[Flipz]

Are you sure? It looks to be the same texture used on Sandy Bricks, at least in the (custom) modpack I'm using at the moment.

 

[RedBoss]

Are you sure? It looks to be the same texture used on Sandy Bricks, at least in the (custom) modpack I'm using at the moment.

I just assumed it was from UE since its textured like the other armors like the glowstone and lapis armor. In the RR pack I just selected these similar armors. From right to left; obsidian, lapis, osmium, glowstone, & steel.

I don't even have a pack on my pc right now that doesn't have UE in it so I can't check right now