So, enchanting books...

[Evil Hamster]

He wasn't saying it's "overpowered when compared to the vanilla way of doing things." He was saying that it has no drawbacks, even when out of power, and that the no drawbacks part is what bothers him about it.

Aside from a SMALL investment in materials to set up, there's no drawbacks to building a solar panel, piece of wire and electric furnace. You never have to burn coal again to smelt items. No drawbacks whatsoever.

I forgot I am not allowed my own opinion on the internet.

I simply pointed out what I see as a flaw in your logic, I never said you aren't entitled to your opinion.

 

[SilvasRuin]

Aside from a SMALL investment in materials to set up, there's no drawbacks to building a solar panel, piece of wire and electric furnace. You never have to burn coal again to smelt items. No drawbacks whatsoever.

Do not put words into my mouth. That's exactly why I addressed you in the first place. You claimed he was saying something he was not, so I was correcting that. I was not making a complaint about free energy here; that is irrelevant to my statements.




Okay, I was the one that said it wasn't as fast as an Efficiency IV Diamond Pick, which is the highest that enchantment can go as far as I can tell. Of course I said that because I was, for whatever reason, under the impression that it could mine as fast as the equivalent shovel could go through Dirt, IE. break through multiple blocks with a single click.

I have just compared the two, and while I didn't use any frame by frame comparisons, the unpowered enchanted Diamond Drill appears to be just as fast as the fully enchanted Diamond Pick.

It has no drawback.

 

[Evil Hamster]

Do not put words into my mouth. That's exactly why I addressed you in the first place. You claimed he was saying something he was not, so I was correcting that. I was not making a complaint about free energy here; that is irrelevant to my statements.

My interpretation of the general gist of zero's posts were that he was concerned it was overpowered, you said he said it had no drawbacks. Very similar arguments and I pointed out my example is still valid.

Okay, I was the one that said it wasn't as fast as an Efficiency IV Diamond Pick, which is the highest that enchantment can go as far as I can tell. Of course I said that because I was, for whatever reason, under the impression that it could mine as fast as the equivalent shovel could go through Dirt, IE. break through multiple blocks with a single click.

I have just compared the two, and while I didn't use any frame by frame comparisons, the unpowered enchanted Diamond Drill appears to be just as fast as the fully enchanted Diamond Pick.

It has no drawback.

Did the diamond pickaxe have all the same enchantments especially efficiency?

Also- almost any machine in any of the mods have no drawbacks to using them as compared to vanilla. I still think my point still stands. Why make an issue out of this one while ignoring the fact nearly everything the mods add go way beyond it?

 

[SilvasRuin]

Did the diamond pickaxe have all the same enchantments especially efficiency?

Yes.

Also- almost any machine in any of the mods have no drawbacks to using them as compared to vanilla. I still think my point still stands. Why make an issue out of this one while ignoring the fact nearly everything the mods add go way beyond it?

1.) I personally have not net yet made an issue out of it. My point has been that the attacks on thezeronumber's statement are at the very best inaccurate. 2.) Powered Furnaces, Electric Furnaces, Furnace Heaters, etc. all have more costs in set up than a vanilla furnace, especially as a vanilla furnace is made of an extremely plentiful and easily renewable resource. It's all about tech trees, progression, and appropriate costs. Are 6 Iron, 4 Redstone, 3 Copper, 4 Tin, and some Rubber and just a bit of extra copper an appropriate cost for turning that perfect mining pickaxe into something with no maintenance needs whatsoever? Personally I'm not really sure. I think the higher GregTech costs bring the answer closer to "yes" when that mod is considered, though.

 

[raiju]

Highest efficiency is five, as a notice. This should work on both though.

Also you say the "attacks" (normal comments, please don't make things sound more hostile than they are), are about it not having a drawback. The low per-trip durability is a drawback, as bringing up a lap pack of any significant size brings up the question "why not a mining laser?"

You may PREFER the drill, but it does not have no drawbacks. This is where you are both wrong and this is why I am commenting against you both.

 

[SilvasRuin]

The low per-trip durability is a drawback

That's what I've been saying, though. There is no per-trip durability. An enchanted Diamond Drill completely drained of power is matching an enchanted Diamond Pick block for block, and it needs no maintenance whatsoever. Feel free to wear your Bronze/diamond/Nano/Jetpack/Quantum chest plate, because no Batpack is needed to get the second highest mining speed I've seen barring Dynamite spam, Vajra, and the Mining Laser. The extra speed when charged seems almost negligible.

 

[raiju]

If an uncharged diamond drill mines as fast as a diamond pick with the same enchant (are you sure? Do you use the click method to stop delays? Otherwise you won't recognize benefits from efficiency 4/5 anyway really due to delay) then that is a literal bug even if enchants were to be allowed on the tools. An uncharged diamond drill is meant to mine very slowly, you add efficiency V and you should still be behind (MORE behind) because it's a % increase on speed. That being said if you don't usually use enchants you might be impressed with even how fast a stone pick with efficiency 5 will go.

 

[SilvasRuin]

I'm not sure if you're referring to an old trick by "click method" or something I don't know about. Nothing I've tried seems to show any difference in their speeds with both having Efficiency IV.

I'm not seeing any difference between them at Efficiency V either. Try it yourself. Go into creative, give yourself the needed levels and enchanted books, spawn in the tools and anvil, switch back over to survival and enchant accordingly.

 

[Evil Hamster]

1.) I personally have not net yet made an issue out of it. My point has been that the attacks on thezeronumber's statement are at the very best inaccurate. 2.) Powered Furnaces, Electric Furnaces, Furnace Heaters, etc. all have more costs in set up than a vanilla furnace, especially as a vanilla furnace is made of an extremely plentiful and easily renewable resource. It's all about tech trees, progression, and appropriate costs. Are 6 Iron, 4 Redstone, 3 Copper, 4 Tin, and some Rubber and just a bit of extra copper an appropriate cost for turning that perfect mining pickaxe into something with no maintenance needs whatsoever? Personally I'm not really sure. I think the higher GregTech costs bring the answer closer to "yes" when that mod is considered, though.

1. I wasn't attacking anybody, simply questioning and disagreeing.

2. a diamond drill has a lot more startup cost than a diamond pickaxe also again, it's a matter of degree not absolutes. To me the game is about build a machine that gives a benefit- whether that's free iron and roses from a vanilla golem farm or a magic machine that gives me 2 ingots per ore- what's fun and cool to build is the most important.

 

[SilvasRuin]

Yeah, there's definitely a problem here. The enchanted Diamond Drill doesn't appear to care whether it has power or not. The Advanced Diamond Drill when enchanted in the same way is just as fast unpowered but rips through multiple blocks at once when powered. The Diamond Jackhammers seem to ignore Efficiency enchantments.

Correction: Diamond Jackhammers do benefit from enchantments, but only in situations in which you'd probably not use them and while enchanting them does make their unpowered speed faster, it's still fairly slow.

 

[EternalDensity]

Doesn't the process of enchanting things count as a drawback?

 

[raiju]

Doesn't the process of enchanting things count as a drawback?

Soulshards
Gregtech nether ores
Twilight forest

are mods that all make exp really easy to come by

 

[SilvasRuin]

You'd have to spend more exp enchanting a Diamond Pick than you would a Drill because of the exp price (on top of materials) for repairs and from the price of renaming the Pick to keep repair exp costs affordable. There's really no way to look at it in which the Drill would cost more experience.

 

[bigtwisty]

A tier 5 zombie spawner, a melee turtle with turtle.attack() in a permanent loop, and a brain in a jar. I go down and collect the XP every few minutes and make another level 30 enchanted book. Don't even have to kill the zombies myself, and I don't lag my server with too many zombies.

 

[Zjarek_S]

Diamond drill is not enchantable by design, IC2 team haven't fixed book exploit yet (I think, I didn't check Jenkins for a while). From what I read diamond drill is supposed to be better than normal diamond pickaxe and worse than good enchanted diamond pick, for balance reasons. IC2 is about industry, not some weird magic stuff like enchanting .

 

[hatecreeper]

I just put them both in the anvil and it worked just like it does with vanilla tools.

tool first, then enchant. Shouldn't cost more than 6 levels to apply a book to something.

Yeah, i got it to work. I did download the pack again and it was like magic...i mean it was working

 

[Abdiel]

Diamond drill is not enchantable by design, IC2 team haven't fixed book exploit yet (I think, I didn't check Jenkins for a while). From what I read diamond drill is supposed to be better than normal diamond pickaxe and worse than good enchanted diamond pick, for balance reasons. IC2 is about industry, not some weird magic stuff like enchanting .

IOW, enchant your tools while you still can.