Slight metal boost with Factorization + Infernal Furnace (Thaumcraft 3) and others.

[JojoTheArgus]

Greetings everyone! (First thread/post here so I hope its in the right section.)

I did a quick search before posting this so hopefully I am not just rehashing someones post.

Anyway to the point I was mucking around in creative mod trying out factorization for the first time as I read it could potentially increase the ingots gained by 300%, At first i just played around with it, seeing how it worked, seeing how much energy each thing drained etc. Next I tried to automate it, tried using the router but I got a bit confused so I used Buildcraft/Redpower pipes and blocks. (The only way I could think to make sure the water filled buckets would be shared out equally. There is probably a better way but I am stumped to finding one.) Anyway I basically got it all working how I wanted it to and was getting in the crystallized metals, now the question was how was i going to smelt them. Then it hit me, you get them little nuggets from smelting with a Infernal furnace, but did these crystallized metals work in it? So I built one and tested it. At first it seemed like nothing would happen, but then low and behold a ingot and 2 metal nuggets came out. Thrilled by this outcome I plopped a Hunger chest in front of it and few a 64 stack of each crystallized metal to see what the out come was like. Amazingly I was getting anywhere between 7-12 extra ingots worth of nuggets from it and a lot of xp (could have used a brain jar to soak it all up but hey it was just a test.)

I know you would be hard pressed to make this in Survival/Hardcore as a goal in mind but it might (Your mileage may vary) be worth it for the few extra ingots.

Hope you enjoyed the read and I hope, if nothing else this might have helped you in some small way.

Take care all and happy smelting!

 

[Pandemoneus]

That's actually nothing special. As far as I know the infernal furnace will spit additional nuggets out using normal ores aswell.

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Proof: http://ftbwiki.org/Infernal_Furnace

 

[JojoTheArgus]

I know its nothing truly special, Its was just with the 300% possibly increase to what ever ore you where using and the possibility to get a few extra nuggets from it by smelting it in the Infernal Furnace I thought was pretty cool, I just wanted to share the experience just in case anyone wanted a way to make a little bit more metal then they currently where.

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Ah, what I mean to say is I was surprised that the Infernal Furnace smelted the crystallized metal in the first place. Thus with the extras Metal crystals from Factorization you can gain a few more ingots by smelting it in Infernal Furnace and combining the nuggets

Hope that cleaned up the confusion.

Happy mining!

 

[okh1242]

Good first post. I actually learned something... not a big surprise though considering the only use i have for factorization is barrels... it is one of the most overlooked mods and only recently am I seeing the capabilities it has.

Anyways, nice post found it informative, and really liked it

 

[JojoTheArgus]

Good first post. I actually learned something... not a big surprise though considering the only use i have for factorization is barrels... it is one of the most overlooked mods and only recently am I seeing the capabilities it has.

Anyways, nice post found it informative, and really liked it

Thanks for the positive feed back! Kind of daunting at first to start a thread, especially when you don't want to step on someones toes that have already mentioned this before, but from my search it didn't seem so. I was like that at first, sticking to IC2 to powder my ores and smelt them in a infernal furnace for the nuggets (Which has helped with my dwindling copper supplies.) But then reading that factorization could go up 300% I thought I would give it a try and I am glad I did.

Happy mining good sir!

 

[brujon]

That's actually a pretty sweet find. 7-12 ingots from a stack of crystallized metal is pretty sweet. It means a 10-20% increase in the production from factorization, or a 330 to 360% yield from base ores. Which is actually insanely good, especially since you get experience from all of it. I'm intrigued, and must now test if the Infernal Furnace accepts dusts/pulverized metal as well. If it does, then an Infernal Furnace is much more useful than i thought. I always thought that to use it you *had* to use the base ores, if it accepts dusts/pulverized metals... Yes, much more useful. A nice boost in productivity that's always welcome, at the expense of flux. Which is manageable, especially with clever placement of aura nodes...

 

[JojoTheArgus]

That's actually a pretty sweet find. 7-12 ingots from a stack of crystallized metal is pretty sweet. It means a 10-20% increase in the production from factorization, or a 330 to 360% yield from base ores. Which is actually insanely good, especially since you get experience from all of it. I'm intrigued, and must now test if the Infernal Furnace accepts dusts/pulverized metal as well. If it does, then an Infernal Furnace is much more useful than i thought. I always thought that to use it you *had* to use the base ores, if it accepts dusts/pulverized metals... Yes, much more useful. A nice boost in productivity that's always welcome, at the expense of flux. Which is manageable, especially with clever placement of aura nodes...

The infernal furnace seems to smelt anything throw into as far as I know, I just used to use a Macerator and a infernal furnace because it smelted the dust and gave me nuggets as well Oooh an idea, if you are into bee keeping use the Pure Bees (either via breeding or cheating...for test purposes only of course ) That way they eat the flux an you get crystallized aspects to turn into bottles of essentia, that is if you use thaumcraft for other things.

Happy mining good sir!

 

[DoctorOr]

I'm not surprised the furnace smelts the crystalized metal. I am surprised it gives nuggets as well. This means that probably any smelting recipe that gives metal as output would do the same.

Also, was OP's testing done with three bellows? These dramatically improve output (and speed)

That way they eat the flux an you get crystallized aspects to turn into bottles of essentia, that is if you use thaumcraft for other things.

Turning the crystallized aspects into bottles is a waste. They are usable singly, don't waste the vial, and most important can be used in recipes that don't use an even multiple of 8. I just made 5 strong wood golems using entirely wisp essence and crystallized aspects in the cauldron.

 

[DoctorOr]

The infernal furnace seems to smelt anything throw into as far as I know, I just used to use a Macerator and a infernal furnace because it smelted the dust and gave me nuggets as well

In other words: An infinite metal dupe. You can pulverize the ingots for more dust.

 

[JojoTheArgus]

Also, was OP's testing done with three bellows? These dramatically improve output (and speed)

Yeah it was done with bellows.

Turning the crystallized aspects into bottles is a waste. They are usable singly, don't waste the vial, and most important can be used in recipes that don't use an even multiple of 8. I just made 5 strong wood golems using entirely wisp essence and crystallized aspects in the cauldron.

Oh I know they can be use singularly, I just like having all my aspects in warded jars, but yeah its a good idea if you are still in the research phase to keep them as the crystallized aspects besides with the run off sludge made with factorization (For those that don't know cooking the sludge will turn it into clay.) I have a decent supply of clay to use up and with cobblestone being used to make glass. (Via Pulverizer and Furnace of Thermal expansion ) So I might as well use it for something

 

[WeylynSotW]

In other words: An infinite metal dupe. You can pulverize the ingots for more dust.

The infernal furnace hasn't yielded nuggets for dust for quite a while, for that exact reason I imagine.

Crystallized metal doesn't have that problem.

 

[DoctorOr]

Oh I know they can be use singularly, I just like having all my aspects in warded jars, but yeah its a good idea if you are still in the research phase to keep them as the crystallized aspects besides with the run off sludge made with factorization (For those that don't know cooking the sludge will turn it into clay.) I have a decent supply of clay to use up and with cobblestone being used to make glass. (Via Pulverizer and Furnace of Thermal expansion ) So I might as well use it for something

You should never use crystallized aspects for research. There is no flux created from research, so just use any random crap you have. Save the aspects for when you're making something.

And I use magic wax for totally free phials.

 

[JojoTheArgus]

You should never use crystallized aspects for research. There is no flux created from research, so just use any random crap you have. Save the aspects for when you're making something.

And I use magic wax for totally free phials.

I am aware that research causes no flux, and I meant it as to use the crystallized aspects when its like 95%+ on the researched aspect rather then lose the other aspects of said sacrificed object where having a 5 or greater aspect would be wasted. Besides if you get to the point you would have to heavily invest in bees in the first place and have the thaumic bee side researched before getting the pure bee to get the aspects in the first place.

Again magic wax takes a lot of investment in bees, I was merely pointing out that the clay gained from the sludge can be used to make the vials for those that are not bee keepers.