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Rebirth Gaming

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After recent news about our former host going out of business, we had to scramble to find a new host and get everything up and running in a week's time.

Our previous host was your typical Minecraft server host, giving us FTP and Multicraft access. It was fine and all, and to be honest, he was VERY responsive, communicated with us, and kept things worth our time and money. But... we did want more room to grow and a little more control over the server (multicraft is bleh for FTB).

So, we took the opportunity to just dive into the deep end and snatched up a server space with OVH.
You are correct that it requires more work on our end because no one is there to hold our hands while setting things up.
Fortunately, our staff has enough combined knowledge of working with Linux, SSH, VNC, etc etc that it was only a matter of hours from the time we purchased the server until we had files transferring from our old server to the new one. In fact, we already have one of our servers online and ready to accept players again.

I think for any larger server community that plans on running not only FTB but perhaps also a bukkit hub, renting an empty box is cheaper and gives you much more control over RAM allocation and whatnot.
It can be risky, however, if you don't know what you're doing.

And, OP, thanks for the recommendation with OVH. They look pretty damn solid and worth the money. $80/month for 32GB of RAM that we can allocate however we please is pretty hard to beat. And they aren't just some small company ran out of a garage, either. We are probably gonna stick with this company, and buy additional boxes in the future if we outgrow what we have now.

TL;DR If you know how to setup servers on a remote server, use an empty box such as OVH. If you are new to servers, period, go with a host that specializes in Minecraft servers.
 

Miranda

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Sad thing about OVH: they are really bureaucratic... I mean I cant rent a server without providing copies from my passport, documents proving where I live and stuff...
They also won't rent/sell their stuff to a lot of countries... If you're from Brazil you need to find another host =/
 

Rebirth Gaming

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Really? We were able to order the server directly from their website using Paypal. It was up and ready the same evening.
 

Harvest88

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Really? We were able to order the server directly from their website using Paypal. It was up and ready the same evening.

They probably run the IP to find where your are and etc. Or does a random verification measure, or their system may deemed that guy was fraudulent.
 

Redruzerkruzer

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USA is international. I am in Canada and bought a server in the US, i know people in brazil that rent from OVH. So it doesnt matter where you are, as long as you order from an international website such as USA, you are good to go.
 

Miranda

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I'm not fraudulent... I was using the UK website...
Now I'm using the .ie and I'm able to create an account / rent a server (theorically)...
It's been two days and over 10 emails sending pictures of my RG/CPF/Passport/Driver License and stuff proving that I currently live in Brazil.

They are really, really bureaucratic. And they validate payments manually... Actually I think they check EVERYTHING manually, lol.

Still, they're a really cheap and offer really powerful machines. And I've read lots of reviews sayin they have an excelent uptime and are quite realiable... So yeah, I think it will workout in the end..
 

Henry Link

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Learning curve for a lot of people, but not all. I know that with my server a few optimizations have gone into it to give us even better performance. But all in all, the information is all available on the interwebs. Just need to go out and find it.

I would be curious as to what exactly you optimized? I would also be interested in JVM arguments for your server. Mine are very basic and I am running into TPS issues. I configured my server with Ubuntu 13.10 running SSH, SFT, TS3, DropBox and FTB DW20 pack. The java is 7u51 64 bit.

I also rent that exact same server from OVH. It was an upgrade from a slightly slower machine (also rented from OVH). I did have a little problem when I 1st purchased the server getting them to config it for RAID 0 instead of RAID 1. But, there support was responsive to my questions and inquiries. It just took them a while to realize it was a hardware RAID 0 I wanted configured. Once they configured the RAID 0 for me I haven't had any need to contact them and I've had the server for about 2 months.
 

Redruzerkruzer

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I cannot exactly say what was optimized, but i will have a chat with my configuration guy and see what he did, when we have some time.

As for the TPS issue, are you using SSDs? I would assume yes, so in that case, check opis. When on the server, do /opis_start then once it is finished, do /opis_te. Anything over 40 ut (update time) is not healthy for the server. Along with that, make sure your members are not putting everything in 1 chunk. You want the least amount of chunk updates in 1 chunk as possible, without them running miles of pipes and crap throughout the area.

Memory: 2838046520 bytes (2706 MB) / 4080467968 bytes (3891 MB) up to 12240683008 bytes (11673 MB)
JVM Flags: 17 total; -Xmx12288M -Xms4096M -XX:permSize=256m -XX:NewRatio=3 -XX:SurvivorRatio=3 -XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=80 -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=8 -XX:+UseParNewGC -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=10 -XX:GCPauseIntervalMillis=50 -XX:MaxGCMinorPauseMillis=7 -XX:+ExplicitGCInvokesConcurrent -XX:+UseCMSInitiatingOccupancyOnly -XX:CMSInitiatingOccupancyFraction=60 -XX:+BindGCTaskThreadsToCPUs -Xnoclassgc
 

Harvest88

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I'm not fraudulent...

Sorry if you think that I though you were, however sometime providers fraudulent checks may say you are even though your not. So in order to verifies your are/not they need personal information so they can use that to investigate. Reliable Site was a d bag and said I couldn't buy my server because I didn't have the payment gateway "status" that they accept. Oh.. I can play that game and you know what Reliable Site? I got a better box than that one that was after! It was a custom bulit and ready in under 4 hours as well. ;)
 

Henry Link

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As for the TPS issue, are you using SSDs? I would assume yes, so in that case, check opis. When on the server, do /opis_start then once it is finished, do /opis_te. Anything over 40 ut (update time) is not healthy for the server. Along with that, make sure your members are not putting everything in 1 chunk. You want the least amount of chunk updates in 1 chunk as possible, without them running miles of pipes and crap throughout the area.

Funny you should mention everything in one chunk.... I have one player that has started talking about spreading out his base because he has everything in four chunks. All 4 of those chunks are in the top 10 busiest chunks on my server.

Also, I do check opis frequently and do find things and fix them. But for the most part everything is under or around 40 us.
 

Redruzerkruzer

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Ah, well more chunk updates can add up and slow down your tps. So try getting those end-game players to spread out a bit. Besides that and opis checks, you should be good.
 

Rebirth Gaming

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I would be curious as to what exactly you optimized? I would also be interested in JVM arguments for your server. Mine are very basic and I am running into TPS issues. I configured my server with Ubuntu 13.10 running SSH, SFT, TS3, DropBox and FTB DW20 pack. The java is 7u51 64 bit.

Our FTB servers are using the recommended JVM arguments found here.
We are using McMyAdmin to give us a web browser console instead of having to rely on command line/putty.
So, some of the arguments we left out, such as RAM allocation, because, of course, we allotted more than these settings.

From what I understand, these Java arguments have been tested by the FTB devs and will make better use of the resources you do have, thus reducing the need to throw more resources towards your server to increase performance.
This is something imo all server admins/owners should do. Throwing more RAM into your server isn't always the solution. Using things like recommended arguments, limiting chunk loaders, clamping mob spawns/entities per chunk and even using something like aPerfs to run tile entity removal commands on a schedule can drastically improve server performance. Then, when you do get the opportunity to allot more RAM and resources to your server, you can relax some of the restrictions and limits.
 

Redruzerkruzer

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Very true on the throwing ram at your server part. It doesnt always work out.. Thankfully with my servers, i have 2 modpacks (Tw2 and monster) running on just 1 OVH box. Which lets me dedicate a stupid amount of power towards my servers. This lets me do SO much more then the average person. Sadly the cost to run my entire community is breaking 200$/m :p
 

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Intreppid is better though? :)
Nope never use them, ever. They oversell mitigation WAY TOO MUCH and their overclocked servers are 200% of what I can get other places. So to get a fair deal you need to go without ddos protection and if you do waste money on that their mitigation has been known to fail and block minecraft users and need further configuration.
To be honest, people always say its a massive learning curve but its really not, all you really need to do is install java and your good to go :p thats a bit of a pain with ubuntu now because they don't support java 7 apt-get install (very annoying) but use centos and its literally yum install java-1.7.0-openjdk (obviously sub in whatever java version you want) Then you just need to learn that typing 'screen' makes a screen, typing screen -x joins that screen and putting a ./ before the start command runs it :p Everything else can be done through ftp if your not confident with ssh and everything ssh is on the web and relatively easy to find :p You can even cheat and put in screen -dmS server before the start command (same line) and it will even open up the screen for you both on starts and on restarts through crash and automated (if you have that kind of thing on your server). All in all, ssh on a dedicated box is possibly easier than using something like multicraft xD not to mention how much better it is.
you can use aptitude to install java, I did. But ssh and sftp are a lot faster and easier then multicraft. Or any panel IMO.[DOUBLEPOST=1396314473][/DOUBLEPOST]
I'm not fraudulent... I was using the UK website...
Now I'm using the .ie and I'm able to create an account / rent a server (theorically)...
It's been two days and over 10 emails sending pictures of my RG/CPF/Passport/Driver License and stuff proving that I currently live in Brazil.

They are really, really bureaucratic. And they validate payments manually... Actually I think they check EVERYTHING manually, lol.

Still, they're a really cheap and offer really powerful machines. And I've read lots of reviews sayin they have an excelent uptime and are quite realiable... So yeah, I think it will workout in the end..
Er they don't mention needing a passport in their TOS so are you sure your not on a fake site? Also no tech company should ever ask for a drives lisence, it's not even related to this at all, and they would have your id from a passport so that makes no sense. I'd use them if they got that info from me.
 

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Sad thing about OVH: they are really bureaucratic... I mean I cant rent a server without providing copies from my passport, documents proving where I live and stuff...
They also won't rent/sell their stuff to a lot of countries... If you're from Brazil you need to find another host =/

Due to their pricing, OVH receives a crazy amount of fraud and spam. They used to have a huge issue with abuse in the past.
 

Shmeeb

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I host my servers with 2 1270 v2's from secured servers. They have great support and i've had very few problems in the last year or so that i've been with them

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Henry Link

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I still stand by my OVH/SoYouStart server. That thing has been great. I've had no issues or reason to call their support after my initial install was completed. I'm currently running Ubuntu 13.10 with two FTB packs (AgSkies & DW2) and TS3. Backups are done via scripting and Dropbox.
 
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RSNET-Radic

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I still stand by my OVH/SoYouStart server. That thing has been great.

They are really great if you know how to properly manage a server![DOUBLEPOST=1402432292][/DOUBLEPOST]
I host my servers with 2 1270 v2's from secured servers. They have great support and i've had very few problems in the last year or so that i've been with them

How has their network been lately? I know they had issues earlier this year, but I heard they were supposed to do upgrades to resolve them.

They are a great value if you need low latency on the west coast with limited DDoS protection.