Renuable netherrack?

[Ember Quill]

Glowstone has a secret IC2 recipe, Gold Dust and Redstone.
Soul Sand...
Sludge Boiler.
I'm kinda new to MFR, but I was interested on what the Boiler made after DW's video, so that's a nice odd fact to know.
Please don't hate me if it turns out everything I just said was said before.

Everything you just said was said before.

But yeah, it's kind of neat that there are now some renewable ways to generate almost everything. Except apparently Netherrack in 1.5.2.

 

[whizzball1]

Everything you just said was said before.

But yeah, it's kind of neat that there are now some renewable ways to generate almost everything. Except apparently Netherrack in 1.5.2.

Wow.

 

[zemerick]

WARNING! RANT IN SPOILER!

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I did math and proved the amount. which is 160 Billion. Now let's see. An efficiency 4 diamond pick can break 5 netherrack in a second. Let's say you got unbreaking 10 on the pick (won't lose ANY duribility) and efficency 4. It would take: 1 year, 5 days, 8 hours, 52 minutes and 19 seconds, or 1:5:8:52:19. So it would take a year on your own, not MILLIONS. maybe 2 or 3 years, since you need to eat, drink, sleep, and use the bathroom.

Now, let's see by YOUR numbers if they'll match up. If you have 500 quadrillion netherrack, it would take 6 337 617 562 805 790 years for 500 people, not 2.2 million. If everyone on the world were to mine out the nether, it would take 444 892 546 years. Yeah, if you want to say something's infinite, expect people to prove you wrong.

And BTW, the nether is HALF netherrack, so it would be 185 days, 4 hours, 24 minutes and 39 seconds actually. So up to one or two years to mine the nether out 24/7 with the exceptions of what I said. So he MAY of mined out the nether already, if he's had a world since Alpha 1.2.6, considering of how long it WOULD actually take.

Now, done with the rant. I checked both, and if you put UU matter in a square like:
X X U you get 16 netherrack, but only in the wgt.
X U X
U X X
X=nothing. U=UU matter

Spoiler for my own "rant". Beware of minor maths for all who enter! :

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You should really check your numbers if you are going to rant about someone elses. The Nether is the one that is 10,000,000 in each direction, not the overworld. Overworld is 30,000,000. This gives the Nether a grid of 20,000,001x20,000,001 and the Overworld a grid of 30,000,001x30,000,001 ( the origin 0 point is the extra 1 btw. ) The Nethers size is actually 1/9th of the Overworld, not 1/8. You are thinking of the travel relation between the 2, which is not related.

For the record, I was previously doing quick off-hand guesstimates for the numbers. Yes...I was off by quite a ways, but not nearly as much as you were. Plug in the new numbers using your own guesstimates, roundings, and bases, and you still get insanely large numbers:

20,000,001x20,000,001 = 400,000,040,000,001. That's the 2d area.
400,000,040,000,001 x 128 = 51,200,005,120,000,128 total volume.
51,200,005,120,000,128 / 2 for a very rough guess on the amount of Netherrack, and you get: 25,600,002,560,000,064. That's over 25 Quadrillion.

I think there's actually a bit less Netherrack than that, but this varies a lot. Add in Natura from the newer packs, and it'll plummet some more. However, it's still obscenely large. Even at 10% of the volume being Netherrack, you're still over 5 quadrillion.

At 5 netherrack per second, and 10% netherrack by volume:
5,120,000,512,000,012.8 / 5 = 1,024,000,102,400,002.56 seconds
1,024,000,102,400,002.56 / 60 = 17,066,668,373,333.376 minutes
17,066,668,373,333.376 / 60 = 284,444,472,888.8896 hours
284,444,472,888.8896 / 24 = ~11,851,853,037 days

11,851,853,037 / 7,000,000,000 = ~1.7 days for the entire planet

11,851,853,037 / 365.25 = ~32,448,605 years for 1 person.
32,448,605 / 500 = ~64,897 years for 500 people.

All of that is on the massively optimistic side. It can easily be several orders of magnitude higher than that for various reason. Especially once you start to consider real play times, not a perfect 24/7. There is just no feasible way for anyone to come remotely close to mining out the nether. Not even a dent on the grand scale.

Everything you just said was said before.


But yeah, it's kind of neat that there are now some renewable ways to generate almost everything. Except apparently Netherrack in 1.5.2.

Well, only when you ignore the methods that there are: As mentioned, both scrap and UU matter are in fact ways to do it. OP, and really any sane person, might not want to...but it is still there. Then also the more involved methods Someone Else 37 mentioned.

Also, I just checked, and not even the EE3 Equivalency addon has a way to make Netherrack though.

 

[EternalDensity]

Xeno's Reliquary (at least the latest) gives renewable netherack. And it only costs 1 redstone to get 16!

 

[John Freeman]

I had an idea for it a while back using corrupted essence. If you got a witch farm, you have infinite glowstone and redstone. Redstone can used with alchemy to duplicate soul sand. Soul sand and glowstone can make corrupted essence, and cooking cobble with corrupted essence in a soul forge will give you nether rack. You could either use soul cages or Minefactory Reloaded spawners to make a working witch farm.

 

[Someone Else 37]

Xeno's Reliquary (at least the latest) gives renewable netherack. And it only costs 1 redstone to get 16!

However, in the spirit of Saice's thought experiment, how would you get the Tome of Alkahestry without going to the Nether in the first place? The blaze powder can be obtained from Thaumcraft Cinderpearls, and EE3 can turn those into rods.
Furthermore, how would you get the first netherrack to duplicate without visiting the Nether?

I had an idea for it a while back using corrupted essence. If you got a witch farm, you have infinite glowstone and redstone. Redstone can used with alchemy to duplicate soul sand. Soul sand and glowstone can make corrupted essence, and cooking cobble with corrupted essence in a soul forge will give you nether rack. You could either use soul cages or Minefactory Reloaded spawners to make a working witch farm.

Witch farm is a good idea- I didn't think of that one. An MFR witch spawner would be easier to set up than Redstone and Gold-producing bees.

 

[EternalDensity]

You already had those things before the admin banned the nether

 

[zemerick]

Something that would help a lot, is just add a recipe to EE3 to obtain wither skeleton skulls. Something like 7 Skeleton skulls and a potion of harming 2 to make 1 wither skull.

With other methods to obtain soulsand, this will let you create withers for nether stars.

Does anyone know if it is possible to get up to a ghastly queen without the nether? That would get you the tears, and you could now make a Tome of Alkahest.

EDIT: BTW, you would also have to modify EE3 to re-enable to blaze powder -> rod conversion. It is currently disabled. I personally just set it to 5 powder to 1 rod to match the macerator recipe. Just remember to never break a rod down without a macerator or you just lose those extra powder. This also greatly decreases the power of gathering cinderpearls.