(Redstone Energy Conduit) Can someone explain the 5% loss?

[Technician]

Whovian, I think you are the only person you know that can make my brain hurt .. yet still make total sense.

So.. if I have 9 machines (say Thermal Expansion machines) hooked up to a length of Redstone Conduit and they are being fed from a Redstone Energy Cell... they all just suffer a flat 5% penalty.. NON-CUMULATIVE?

If this is the case, thank you for clearing it up!

That's ironic considering his name.

 

[baw179]

I think the max is 1000 MJ/tick that is the full saturation point of Redstone Energy Conduit.

Is this true? King Lemming can you confirm? If so then I am losing a ton of energy from my array of HP boilers...

 

[Zjarek_S]

Is this true? King Lemming can you confirm? If so then I am losing a ton of energy from my array of HP boilers...

Just tested, 1800 input is definitely fully transferred through conduits (http://i.imgur.com/SRkqAaO.png), so I wouldn't worry about it that much.

 

[King Lemming]

meh i really don't care about the loss, it's just the stacking of the cells that i really want. I can run an input line into one side of a cell chain and run an output conduit out the other and have loss, but i just want that shared storage.

Not happening. Unlike MFSUs, the Cells output to all directions and receive from all directions. This would create CPU churn for no good reason. Also, you can move the cells. If you want to store tons of BC energy, liquid is generally the way to go.

Is this true? King Lemming can you confirm? If so then I am losing a ton of energy from my array of HP boilers...

No, the limitation is 500 MJ/t at any given input/output. The only thing that bumps against this is the Fusion Reactor from APS. I may even lower the 500, it's basically overkill as it stands.

 

[baw179]

Not happening. Unlike MFSUs, the Cells output to all directions and receive from all directions. This would create CPU churn for no good reason. Also, you can move the cells. If you want to store tons of BC energy, liquid is generally the way to go.



No, the limitation is 500 MJ/t at any given input/output.

Not sure I understand what you mean here. What is conduit physical limit? I have a loop of conduit all the way round my base which is being fed around 1100 MJ/t from industrial steam engines. Connected to the loop in various places are some of your machines and forestry machines, some energy tesseracts and an REC charging area, but it's all connected to the same loop. Do I have 1100 MJ/t swimming around the loop when nothing is drawing or am I actually wasting 600 MJ/t ?

 

[King Lemming]

Not sure I understand what you mean here. What is conduit physical limit? I have a loop of conduit all the way round my base which is being fed around 1100 MJ/t from industrial steam engines. Connected to the loop in various places are some of your machines and forestry machines, some energy tesseracts and an REC charging area, but it's all connected to the same loop. Do I have 1100 MJ/t swimming around the loop when nothing is drawing or am I actually wasting 600 MJ/t ?

You are fine. The only thing that can even possibly mess with conduits is the fusion reactor, and frankly I consider 500 MJ/t at any single point to be ludicrously OP, so meh.

 

[baw179]

You are fine. The only thing that can even possibly mess with conduits is the fusion reactor, and frankly I consider 500 MJ/t at any single point to be ludicrously OP, so meh.

Thanks. <phew>

Please don't start nerfing things.. every other mod author seems to be at it atm.

 

[Technician]

Woah, KingLemming typed those words..

 

[Vaygrim]

You are fine. The only thing that can even possibly mess with conduits is the fusion reactor, and frankly I consider 500 MJ/t at any single point to be ludicrously OP, so meh.

King Lemming, you are the person behind the design of the Tesseracts correct? If yes, would you mind clarifying for me real quick if Tesseracts (Energy & Liquid) have an over all output limit or if it's just a "per-face" output limit? (i.e. If I plug Redstone Energy Conduit into an Energy Conduit, can I only pull 75 MJ/t out of it max or is it 75 MJ/t per Tesseract face?)

Does that make any sense?

 

[King Lemming]

King Lemming, you are the person behind the design of the Tesseracts correct? If yes, would you mind clarifying for me real quick if Tesseracts (Energy & Liquid) have an over all output limit or if it's just a "per-face" output limit? (i.e. If I plug Redstone Energy Conduit into an Energy Conduit, can I only pull 75 MJ/t out of it max or is it 75 MJ/t per Tesseract face?)

Does that make any sense?

Energy Tesseracts have an overall per-tick limit for the entire block. Liquid and Item do not.

 

[Vaygrim]

Energy Tesseracts have an overall per-tick limit for the entire block. Liquid and Item do not.

Ah so it's rather irrelevant if I hook up a separate conduit connection to each face of the Tesseract, I may as well just have a single connection plugged into it. Right?

Oh and King Lemming, we know you are a busy gent (with modding and whatnot) so THANK YOU for coming and answering questions so regularly!

 

[Hydra]

No, the limitation is 500 MJ/t at any given input/output. The only thing that bumps against this is the Fusion Reactor from APS. I may even lower the 500, it's basically overkill as it stands.

So I can have a single conduit transport well over 500MJ/t but a single machine can only get 500mj/t from the conduit per connection?

This is because I was considering having separate conduits in my base because I'm producing more than 500MJ/t (6x144 = 864 to be exact).

Secondly: are you saying a single tesseract can only ever output a max of 75MJ/t? Because I tend to have 2 quarries connected to a single tess and this would mean they are not going full speed. I always thought the 75mj/t transfer would be per face and not per tess.

How does the channel tie into this? Can I have more than 75mj/t per frequency by for example having 2 input and 2 output energy tesseracts on the same frequency?

 

[Vaygrim]

So I can have a single conduit transport well over 500MJ/t but a single machine can only get 500mj/t from the conduit per connection?

This is because I was considering having separate conduits in my base because I'm producing more than 500MJ/t (6x144 = 864 to be exact).

Secondly: are you saying a single tesseract can only ever output a max of 75MJ/t? Because I tend to have 2 quarries connected to a single tess and this would mean they are not going full speed. I always thought the 75mj/t transfer would be per face and not per tess.

How does the channel tie into this? Can I have more than 75mj/t per frequency by for example having 2 input and 2 output energy tesseracts on the same frequency?

Hydra, the 75 MJ/t is a number I pulled out of the air from somewhere. I do not actually know if that is the hard limit for a Tesseract or not. King Lemming would be the best person to answer this, IF he in fact decides to supply us with hard numbers or not (he may prefer not to for whatever reason.)

I do know for a fact that I've heard King Lemming say that if you want an Energy Tesseract set to receiving to pull MORE than 75 MJ/t you have to have multiple Energy Tesseracts set to TRANSMIT on the same frequency (he stated this in a Direwolf20 Youtube video). This has prompted me to have three Energy Tesseracts at my base which are all broadcasting on the same frequency, something that usually results in my Quarry running pretty danged fast.

 

[Hydra]

Hydra, the 75 MJ/t is a number I pulled out of the air from somewhere. I do not actually know if that is the hard limit for a Tesseract or not. King Lemming would be the best person to answer this.

Err, yes. And that's why I asked him.

 

[Vaygrim]

Err, yes. And that's why I asked him.

Awesome, I just didn't want something I said to be pinned and referenced as fact from King Lemming. I usually have NO IDEA what I am talking about, heh!

 

[King Lemming]

So I can have a single conduit transport well over 500MJ/t but a single machine can only get 500mj/t from the conduit per connection?

This is because I was considering having separate conduits in my base because I'm producing more than 500MJ/t (6x144 = 864 to be exact).

Secondly: are you saying a single tesseract can only ever output a max of 75MJ/t? Because I tend to have 2 quarries connected to a single tess and this would mean they are not going full speed. I always thought the 75mj/t transfer would be per face and not per tess.

How does the channel tie into this? Can I have more than 75mj/t per frequency by for example having 2 input and 2 output energy tesseracts on the same frequency?

There's no MJ limit on a given channel. However, any given energy Tesseract can only receive 100 MJ/t (and send 75 MJ/t). So yes, 1 Tesseract running two quarries will not run either at maximum speed. This is of course configurable. You can change this limit to 200 in the current release, and 500 in 1.5+.

 

[Vaygrim]

There's no MJ limit on a given channel. However, any given energy Tesseract can only receive 100 MJ/t (and send 75 MJ/t). So yes, 1 Tesseract running two quarries will not run either at maximum speed. This is of course configurable. You can change this limit to 200 in the current release, and 500 in 1.5+.

Aha, so that is why you recommended having more than one Tesseract transmitting on a channel. This would 'fill out' that remaining 25 MJ 'space' for the receiving Tesseract, pushing it up to 100 MJ/t!

 

[Hydra]

There's no MJ limit on a given channel. However, any given energy Tesseract can only receive 100 MJ/t (and send 75 MJ/t). So yes, 1 Tesseract running two quarries will not run either at maximum speed. This is of course configurable. You can change this limit to 200 in the current release, and 500 in 1.5+.

Good to know, thanks a lot!

 

[snooder]

actually i want compact storage of MJ while being able to check every single cell. i'm trying to get at the MFSU-lining-up thing that everyone used to do with IC2 where the output of one was connected to another without cables, so you just had a row of MFSUs that looked nice and you could check the storage on all of them. one drained into another, essentially making a "tank" of energy, if you will.

You can do this currently. Put two redstone energy cells next to each other and run a conduit from the top of each. You can set the conduit from the top of the first to output mode and it will feed into the next one. Then you repeat the procedure with another redstone energy cell but put the conduits on the bottom. Just keep repeating that pattern and you'll get the effect you want.


King Lemming, please don't lower the limit. I currently use Power Converters for my energy transportation and with my advanced bee machines running, I often pull 300-400 MJs out of a single BC producer. The theoretical maximum for that transport is 1000mj/t (5 steam consumers -> energy bridge -> bc producer) and I fully intend to use all that power eventually. I'm planning a pretty massive AE setup and I don't know much much energy it will suck up. Currently my fairly minor setup eats about 100mjs and I'm definitely looking at a ten-fold or more increase in the network size.

 

[Vaygrim]

You can do this currently. Put two redstone energy cells next to each other and run a conduit from the top of each. You can set the conduit from the top of the first to output mode and it will feed into the next one. Then you repeat the procedure with another redstone energy cell but put the conduits on the bottom. Just keep repeating that pattern and you'll get the effect you want.

This is pretty much what I do for inline cells, works like a charm! (I do left / right instead of top / bottom, but whatever works! )