Recent Events Discussion (RED) Thread

[RenzosNips]

So, doing some alpha testing for the 1.7.10 release of ShneekeyCraft, and I find a most disturbing thing...

The Mekanism Electrolytic Separator now requires 4kJ/t to run. This pretty much makes everything that requires either Hydrogen or Oxygen completely non-viable until you have Big Reactors up and running. That translates to 1600 RF/t, by the way.

Oh, and zero config options to change this. Naturally.

I was planning on using Mekanism as a keystone mod for my pack. Not so much any more.

https://github.com/aidancbrady/Mekanism/issues/1593

Here you go. If he says "Will do later", I'm sure it would be a simple pull request. (Not that I"ve looked at the source, but I assume it'd be a change from a flat number to a variable, adding the variable to the config, and then loading the config value into the variable.)

 

[SatanicSanta]

https://github.com/aidancbrady/Mekanism/issues/1593

Here you go. If he says "Will do later", I'm sure it would be a simple pull request. (Not that I"ve looked at the source, but I assume it'd be a change from a flat number to a variable, adding the variable to the config, and then loading the config value into the variable.)

Or maybe he just hasn't added the variable to the config, but it technically is implemented.

 

[RenzosNips]

Or maybe he just hasn't added the variable to the config, but it technically is implemented.

I tried that, sadly it didn't work.

 

[SatanicSanta]

I tried that, sadly it didn't work.

Do you mean you've edited his config class, or you've just added a bit to the config file itself? Very different...

 

[Not_Steve]

Or maybe he just hasn't added the variable to the config, but it technically is implemented.

Open an issue on github and it'll be implemented within the week.

 

[RenzosNips]

Do you mean you've edited his config class, or you've just added a bit to the config file itself? Very different...

Or maybe he just hasn't added the variable to the config, but it technically is implemented.

Following the format "D:<machine>Usage=<whatever>", "D:ElectrolyticSeparatorUsage=50.0" in the config does nothing.

Open an issue on github and it'll be implemented within the week.

https://github.com/aidancbrady/Mekanism/issues/1593

 

[Golrith]

So, doing some alpha testing for the 1.7.10 release of ShneekeyCraft, and I find a most disturbing thing...

The Mekanism Electrolytic Separator now requires 4kJ/t to run. This pretty much makes everything that requires either Hydrogen or Oxygen completely non-viable until you have Big Reactors up and running. That translates to 1600 RF/t, by the way.

Oh, and zero config options to change this. Naturally.

I was planning on using Mekanism as a keystone mod for my pack. Not so much any more.

I wondered what was missing from my config file. Another example of modders going overboard with "nerfs" from community feedback. Sure, make the water power non-self sustanting, but do it in a way that isn't going to affect the rest of the mod. The simple solution was to just reduce the power gen, not the power consumption into the realms of ridiculous.

 

[NJM1564]

I wondered what was missing from my config file. Another example of modders going overboard with "nerfs" from community feedback. Sure, make the water power non-self sustanting, but do it in a way that isn't going to affect the rest of the mod. The simple solution was to just reduce the power gen, not the power consumption into the realms of ridiculous.

#Blamereddit and #BlameMIRC

 

[trajing]

#Blamereddit and #BlameMIRC

Look, I can understand that you're upset, but configs will happen, and if you spring immibis' sig on me, that's irrelevant, because you should know how to and if you don't, learn. What other people do or do not know how to do doesn't matter.
Also, it isn't fair to blame reddit and IRC for all your troubles. Hell, I go on reddit, IRC, and the forums.
Also, why are you referring to IRC as MIRC?

 

[asiekierka]

#Blamereddit and #BlameMIRC

No. #BlamePeopleExpectingModsToBeConfiguredTheirWayInsteadOfAskingForBetterConfigOptions.

 

[SynfulChaot]

No. #BlamePeopleExpectingModsToBeConfiguredTheirWayInsteadOfAskingForBetterConfigOptions.

... or using the configs that are already there in conjunction with Minetweaker/Modtweaker.

 

[Greylocke]

The energy consumed by the Electrolytic Separator is tied to the energy density of the hydrogen output, which is set by the "D:HydrogenEnergyDensity" config. The oxygen is "free".

But before changing that, consider how it will balance against the energy density of ethylene and the energy requirements for making HDPE.

 

[ShneekeyTheLost]

The energy consumed by the Electrolytic Separator is tied to the energy density of the hydrogen output, which is set by the "D:HydrogenEnergyDensity" config. The oxygen is "free".

But before changing that, consider how it will balance against the energy density of ethylene and the energy requirements for making HDPE.

I think I'm missing something here, because my numbers don't seem to be adding up right.

It takes 4kJ/t to create Hydrogen.
It costs additional energy to turn plant material into bio-fuel
It takes additional time and energy to combine hydrogen, bio-fuel, and water to make Ethylene.
You get 240 j/t out of burning Ethylene in a bio-generator.

Unless there's a ratio issue I'm mission here, I'm seeing a massive energy sink. It would require 17 bio-generators just to run the electrolytic separator. Is the output from the Ethylene process really enough to keep up with that kind of resource demand?

 

[Greylocke]

I think I'm missing something here, because my numbers don't seem to be adding up right.

Instead of looking at consumption rates, look at energy inputs and outputs. As an example, a basic Energy Cube holds 2000kJ. Put 2000kJ and some water into an Electrolytic Separator and you will generate 1000 units of hydrogen (default settings). Put 1000 units of hydrogen gas, a little bit of power, and 20 Bio Fuel into a Pressurized Reaction Chamber, and you will get 1000 units of ethylene gas. Put 1000 units of ethylene gas into a Gas Generator and you will generate 20,000kJ of power.

To summarize, ~2000kJ + water + 20 BioFuel = ~20,000kJ ( + a lot of oxygen and some substrate that can be used to make HDPE)

 

[zilvarwolf]

Instead of looking at consumption rates, look at energy inputs and outputs. As an example, a basic Energy Cube holds 2000kJ. Put 2000kJ and some water into an Electrolytic Separator and you will generate 1000 units of hydrogen (default settings). Put 1000 units of hydrogen gas, a little bit of power, and 20 Bio Fuel into a Pressurized Reaction Chamber, and you will get 1000 units of ethylene gas. Put 1000 units of ethylene gas into a Gas Generator and you will generate 20,000kJ of power.

To summarize, ~2000kJ + water + 20 BioFuel = ~20,000kJ ( + a lot of oxygen and some substrate that can be used to make HDPE)

I'm terribly out of the loop with Mekanism...that much is certain. Does this mean that the hydrogen generator, as we know it in 1.6, is dead?

 

[NJM1564]

Look, I can understand that you're upset, but configs will happen, and if you spring immibis' sig on me, that's irrelevant, because you should know how to and if you don't, learn. What other people do or do not know how to do doesn't matter.
Also, it isn't fair to blame reddit and IRC for all your troubles. Hell, I go on reddit, IRC, and the forums.
Also, why are you referring to IRC as MIRC?

Every mod dev who nerfs there mod heavily seems to be getting advice from those to places. Think about the people who go to them. They are popular but only with specific types. MIRC tends to attract the smarter set and reddit the extremists.

I can't imagine moderate or casual players every spending much time there going though the minecraft sub forums.
Those individuals are the ones who have shot thorough the current versions, gotten bored, and now want it harder with out regard for other players who have not.

 

[trajing]

Every mod dev who nerfs there mod heavily seems to be getting advice from those to places. Think about the people who go to them. They are popular but only with specific types. MIRC tends to attract the smarter set and reddit the extremists.

I can't imagine moderate or casual players every spending much time there going though the minecraft sub forums.
Those individuals are the ones who have shot thorough the current versions, gotten bored, and now want it harder with out regard for other players who have not.

It's hard to get feedback from people who don't give it.

 

[Zenthon_127]

It's hard to get feedback from people who don't give it.

There's a pretty good set of users giving consistent and IMO fairly accurate feedback right here on these forums. If I was a dev this is where I'd go first, then IRC and then finally if I'm really out of ideas or needs tons of feedback Reddit.

IRC is good though because of IRC mods and how you can play/test and talk at the same time.

 

[trajing]

There's a pretty good set of users giving consistent and IMO fairly accurate feedback right here on these forums. If I was a dev this is where I'd go first, then IRC and then finally if I'm really out of ideas or needs tons of feedback Reddit.

Feedback is always accurate from those who give it.

 

[NJM1564]

It's hard to get feedback from people who don't give it.

Every nerf gets tones of hate. We all know this. That hate is, like it or not, feedback. It's saying that people don't like the changes.
You know of any dev to actually listens to that?