Makes sense, dragons sure do live longer thanWhen will you understand that dragons don't have time as we know it?
And what about squids? ...
Really stupid things that people have said about Modded MC(Off topicness makes moderators tired)
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And what about squids? ...
Squids have 12 hours available each day.Makes sense, dragons sure do live longer thanhumansponies
And what about squids? ...
Hmm, it really seems like you are putting a lot of effort in to fighting the status quo, I just wonder what returns you expect from your effort.
I agree giving everyone free reign over your mods balance is not only annoying on a support basis but can be detrimental to the mod development it's self, as why bother developing if everyone else is just going to do it. However pushing against the players desires can also have a negative effect on the uptake of your mods and the image of your mods, which I assume you value so long as it doesn't go against your core values.
Hopefully something positive comes from the measures you are putting in place to insulate your mod from tweaking. But my gut tells me all it will do is push potential players away from your mod/s,
I hope you are carefully evaluating all potential outcomes of such actions. In other words; From my perspective at the very best nothing bad nor good will come out of this.
Except if the pony is an Alicorn...Makes sense, dragons sure do live longer thanhumansponies
And what about squids? ...
Before I prevented modification, I had to deal with around five people a day chewing me out for their own problems created by tweaking RC. Despite the PR problems it has caused, it has in fact reduced the number of headaches I had to deal with.
Celestialphoenix
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A lot of it is down to the individual mod design and balance points- the vast majority are balanced around material count, so running a different worldgen or having alternate shortcuts to gaining materials can somewhat overthrow the stock balance, hence why MineTweaker is used a lot to counter this.
Its basically a numbers game, which is what MT is good at. Player skill on the other hand is a lot harder to quantify- which is where MT falls down.
Reika's mods are fully gated around player skill, so the availability of/shortcuts to stock materials won't significantly impact the balance points- on condition there isn't anything that circumvents the skill tree. At best MT is pretty much useless here, at worst it really throws a screwdriver into the jet engine.
The 'return' we all get is the continual quality of the game, thats always the best experience that it can give.
Its basically a numbers game, which is what MT is good at. Player skill on the other hand is a lot harder to quantify- which is where MT falls down.
Reika's mods are fully gated around player skill, so the availability of/shortcuts to stock materials won't significantly impact the balance points- on condition there isn't anything that circumvents the skill tree. At best MT is pretty much useless here, at worst it really throws a screwdriver into the jet engine.
The 'return' we all get is the continual quality of the game, thats always the best experience that it can give.
Well not totally. Notice the colon after "My other mods have a bit more flexibility" in Reika's license.
Within certain guidelines, yes. For SSP (private packs), go ahead and modify whatever you want, including for the tech mods. Hell, build a custom version of the code if you want. (Just no tech support if you do, and of course no redistribution).
As for servers, the non-progression mods have a lot of flexibility, but there are still rules.
For "public" packs - defined as any pack intended for or available to anyone not associated with the creator directly - the big rule is that while you can change specifics or tweak some behavior, fundamental changes that make the mod blatantly disagree with any documentation (for example, turning off GeoStrata worldgen and making its stone craftable instead), because they will lead to a large number of misled people and false bug reports, cannot be made. A couple more fine rules are making any changes obvious (eg for Expanded Redstone, making a block not work (rather than properly removing it), which looks like a bug), and of course not doing for malicious reasons (eg deliberately generating bug reports, or making the good parts of a mod admin-only). And of course the other four pack rules still have to be followed.
Semiprivate packs - defined as any pack created for and only available for and as a player of one server - have a bit more flexibility. Obviously the malicious modification rule still applies, as do the four other pack rules, but now more significant changes can be made so long as the motives behind the editing are legitimate; these are the rules on my thread. Provided your plans are not like Nentify's or like that one guy who modified MeteorCraft to target one player he did not like, you should not have issues with this.
Neither semiprivate nor public packs may make and distribute custom builds, the main reason being concerns over things sneakily inserted.
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You deal with people wrong, then. If somebody stupid is yelling at you to fix your mod, paste some link to a EAQ that answers their questions. If they come back after that, block them. You get nothing from arguing with a person.
At least, if I ever get this type of flak, that is what I will do.
I adore the fact that RC has a 'no modification' policy, it means whenever and wherever I load it up, its the same, no learning new stupid recipes... so refreshing. (I made a big rant about this on the overused/overhyped mods thread a while back).
Good luck. The people who cause this sort of problem are also the people who balk - and often complain - at the idea of having to read such things, and thus their behavior is unaffected. (Also, what level of willingness to research would you expect from somebody making bedrock breaker require bedrock?).
Blocking them is also impossible. The only means I have to do that is to start reporting them left, right and center, and not only is that process slow (it often takes hours to get a post removed) it often does not work, as they come right back under a new name. Additionally, most often these people are "hit and run"; that is, rarely does one specific person ever comes back after one complaining, making after-the-fact blocks useless, and doing nothing to stop the tide of 5 people a day.
Link please.
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Link please.
http://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/overated-problematic-misused-mods.55997/page-9#post-854729
last relevant post is page 11 I think.
I got a bit of what seemed like ignorance when I posted that, people defending minetweaker/modtweaker without actually listening to my argument and point. This seems to be a theme when I get into arguments. But I find it amusing to answer posts by quoting older posts of mine, so fun.
I'm sure this is hilarious until the player works out what's happening, and starts standing around other people's stuff. And which point things take a decidedly less hilarious turn, as mr. server admin has to deal with every getting hit by Meteors.
Celestialphoenix
Too Much Free Time
Stand outside the Admin's house.
I like Minetweaker/modtweaker...though it is overused by so many people. I only think a couple of people should be messing with recipe balance that intensely
No not just Agrarian Skies. The RR series, the PhoenixTeam stuff (as we have a team of people to check against), FTB modpack devs. ME^3/4, and a lot of other Third Party Packs
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