Problems with automated ore Processing
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Well this is the solution I've concocted out of nothing. Too be honest, I centrifuge lava so I have never had the need for a system or have found a way to optimize it. I specifically wanted to explain how networks/subnets work and how you could use them to achieve great things in terms of automation, even if it's just the basis of the idea.
Though LP is another option, some people would prefer not to use multiple mods. Not to discredit your discoveries though, a subnet and LP achieve the same thing.[DOUBLEPOST=1378382744][/DOUBLEPOST]One weakness of LP I must point out though. When a supply pipe is attached to two inventories, it cannot control which one the items go to, nor do items go to the not-full inventory, should the other one become full.
This was the case for when I was attempting to supply magma crucibles with cobble from my main AE system. Each supply pipe was connected to two magma crucibles. Over time one would overfill and I would have cobble falling into the world, while having the one magma crucible remaining empty. Keep this in mind.
Though LP is another option, some people would prefer not to use multiple mods. Not to discredit your discoveries though, a subnet and LP achieve the same thing.[DOUBLEPOST=1378382744][/DOUBLEPOST]One weakness of LP I must point out though. When a supply pipe is attached to two inventories, it cannot control which one the items go to, nor do items go to the not-full inventory, should the other one become full.
This was the case for when I was attempting to supply magma crucibles with cobble from my main AE system. Each supply pipe was connected to two magma crucibles. Over time one would overfill and I would have cobble falling into the world, while having the one magma crucible remaining empty. Keep this in mind.
No reason to make this more complex than it has to be. A recipe in the MAC to make the blend. A recipe in an interface on a furnace to smelt the blend. Boom, alloys on demand. No logistics pipes, no subnets. I tend to go a step further and put a level emitter on an single/craft export bus so that I can keep a stack of each alloy I use in the system.
Who are you replying to?[DOUBLEPOST=1378383840][/DOUBLEPOST]
I don't understand why people keep repeating this. Making electrum / bronze on demand sucks because you have to wait! While it's easy to make it so that you keep a stock.
So there is every "reason to make it more complex"; waiting sucks. Automation is done so you don't have to wait.
So do you keep a stock of dusts in the system as well? Or do you only pulverize/macerate ores on demand? I've got all my ores automatically going into pulverizers, and all my dusts automatically going into furnaces. I do intend to set up a sophisticated level emitter system at some point.
Electrum can be made in Induction Smelter where u get 2 ingots. If you only need one ingot then the last will be in storage. So it can be done on-demand[DOUBLEPOST=1378384643][/DOUBLEPOST]
How long time does it take to make electrum ingots? just ingots in induction furnace and bam... done. If a recepie needs that then it maybe also need other things that has to be burned etc.
If you have an induction smelter, there's no need to use dusts. It'll smelt into ingots from ingots.
What I meant was that I had no chance to actually build, test, modify, optimize and finally the design of such a system. My reason was because I centrifuge lava, so I never really have a need for it. I don't use RP, so I don't have a use for bronze either. The main point was to illustrate how to use a subnet to automate this process, though I have never had the opportunity to play around with it.
It takes a couple of seconds for an ingot. So you'll be waiting a couple of minutes for a full stack. I won't be waiting because I have a stock. If you want to do it that way it's fine, but don't pretend it's the 'only' or 'best' way because it isn't.[DOUBLEPOST=1378385973][/DOUBLEPOST]
That's not my point. I was asking who you were replying to, not what point you're trying to make. THis is because you brought up LP as if I advocated the use of it while I didn't.
The best way is how you feel its best. Im not making stacks at once but only the ingots when I need them. But I understand that you want to make a stack so you always have some ready. And if you are happy for doing that way then fine
Your answer doesn't make any sense. Adding logistics pipes or a subnet doesn't remove crafting wait. Crafting in advance removes crafting wait, which you can do without LP or a subnet, which btw I told you exactly how to do in my post. /smh
Yup, that's another option, saves you from having to keep dusts around.[DOUBLEPOST=1378386482][/DOUBLEPOST]
Where did I say that adding subnets or LP removes crafting wait? I never mentioned LP or subnets?
Here is what I do automatically:
iron ore+sand -> induction smelter
if sand < 5k, pulverize cobble
copper, tin, lead, silver, gold ores -> pulverizer
crappy nether ores -> induction furnace
emerald/diamond nether ore + rich slag -> induction smelter
emerald/diamond/coal/lapis ore -> block smasher set to fortune 3
gold/iron/chain armors -> smeltery for each metal
if bronze < 64, craft bronze
if electrum < 64, craft electrum
if refined iron < 1024, craft refined iron
Any other smelting I need I smelt on demand in a fully heated induction furnace.
The only item transport needed for this is AE. I do use some routers when I want to run multiple instances of the same process, though. Like when I decide I want to make solar panels. I'll take 2 routers, 8 pulverizers, 1 precision export bus, 1 precision import bus, and 2 bandwidth upgrades to pulverize a lot of coal quickly. I find it easier to use TE machines for temporary setups like this so I don't bother with IC2, transformer upgrades, and stacks of overclockers.
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You directly argued that it needed to be more complex to remove wait, and did so as a direct reply to me.
My post was that you didn't need LP or subnets to craft alloys on demand.
Since you disagreed with me it logically follows that you disagreed with the point I made, that you didn't need LP or subnets.
again, /smh.
Perhaps you meant to reply to somebody else?
If you reply to someone's post directly it helps if you quote that person. It wasn't clear to me that your reply was to the person above and the use of LP specifically. I understood your reply to be a reply to the topic 'in general', such as typical for posts where no one was quoted. So I misunderstood you, and you misunderstood me. Such is life
My reply was to the topic in general. Again, there is no need to make it more complex than it needs to be simply to produce alloys. On demand or otherwise doesn't matter as neither of those require another transport system on top of AE. If people want to use multiple systems that is fine, it just isn't needed to get the job done.
Aye.
The point is guys... If you want to fully automate the production of alloys, you are required to have a subnet of some kind. You cannot rely on your main AE system to handle the intermediate steps. You are required to create a small factory that is automated by either (a) an AE subnet (b) a LP subnet or (c) some other form of item transport system.
No you are not required to use AE or LP or even transport pipes, but the main issue is that automatic ore processing is in conflict with alloy production, given that most people automatically export bus dusts to furnaces, which would be a problem for when you are grinding ingots into dusts for alloy combinations.
The point is guys... If you want to fully automate the production of alloys, you are required to have a subnet of some kind. You cannot rely on your main AE system to handle the intermediate steps. You are required to create a small factory that is automated by either (a) an AE subnet (b) a LP subnet or (c) some other form of item transport system.
No you are not required to use AE or LP or even transport pipes, but the main issue is that automatic ore processing is in conflict with alloy production, given that most people automatically export bus dusts to furnaces, which would be a problem for when you are grinding ingots into dusts for alloy combinations.
Did you even read the replies you got? It's perfectly possible to do this without subnets or LP as mutiple persons pointed out to you. Keeping dusts in stock or using induction furnaces work just fine.
I have 20 furnaces to keep up with my woodfarm. Those few processing dusts is hardly an issue. And 1 furnace would not be able to keep up with the output of my 4 quarries either.