OP-ness Verification

[Hoff]

3) Combining the Thaumcraft "Boots of the Traveller" with Redpower microblocks can result in a staircase of stupidly high upward speed. Really??
how do u do that?

Thaum boots climb one block high without jumping. Using covers/panels you can make really tall, really fast stairs that will get you upwards extremely quickly(Not like you couldn't already do something faster/cheaper/more compact in vanilla anyway... Boats and minecarts are great)

 

[jumpfight5]

Vanilla iron golem farm too OP nerf plz.


My vanilla iron golem farm laughs at your enderpearls. Completely automatic 2000+ iron an hour if you wanted to.

Not only that MFR can make an iron golem farm that goes even faster in a smaller area when combined with a soul shards farm.

My IC2 farm that is currently only in conceptual design right now does not laugh at your iron golem farm.
It sits there quietly, quite impressed while it produces a reasonable amount of iron at a time

 

[Hoff]

My IC2 farm that is currently only in conceptual design right now does not laugh at your iron golem farm.
It sits there quietly, quite impressed while it produces a reasonable amount of iron at a time

Oh man I haven't farmed up to Aurealis(?) in forever.

 

[jumpfight5]

Oh man I haven't farmed up to Aurealis(?) in forever.

Ferru, Aurelia is gold
Zombie Pigmen are way easier for gold, I'd probably only get Redwheat, as it's not a very easily renewable item.

 

[Hoff]

Ferru, Aurelia is gold
Zombie Pigmen are way easier for gold, I'd probably only get Redwheat, as it's not a very easily renewable item.

Yeah on my new world I need to breed up some redwheat. Normally it's my main source of it but on this world I wanted to try out a tunnel bore of turtles. Needless to say I have nearly 2000 redstone with just 5 turtles.

 

[atheneftw]

Thaum boots climb one block high without jumping. Using covers/panels you can make really tall, really fast stairs that will get you upwards extremely quickly(Not like you couldn't already do something faster/cheaper/more compact in vanilla anyway... Boats and minecarts are great)

ah i get it now, thanks!

 

[NosePicker5555]

I think players are OP. They make everything in minecraft! I mean seriously Mojang?

 

[jumpfight5]

Yeah on my new world I need to breed up some redwheat. Normally it's my main source of it but on this world I wanted to try out a tunnel bore of turtles. Needless to say I have nearly 2000 redstone with just 5 turtles.

It's probably great for chrome.
Wow, I posted in another thread, just now, about how hard it would be to get chrome without RP2 rubies.
Not with an automated setup with a Crop Harvestor, some Redwheat, and a centrifuge

 

[Hoff]

It's probably great for chrome.
Wow, I posted in another thread, just now, about how hard it would be to get chrome without RP2 rubies.
Not with an automated setup with a Crop Harvestor, some Redwheat, and a centrifuge

Chrome what is this chrome you speak of?

 

[jumpfight5]

Chrome what is this chrome you speak of?

Google GregTech Chrome

 

[Hoff]

Sounds like some mod I won't ever use

 

[Talencourt]

There are a ton of "questionable" mod interactions in the Ultimate pack that can devastate any semblance of balance. While some would argue that "balance" is not a consideration unless playing on a competitive PvP server, I'd disagree. One of the main draws of playing FTB in SMP is that accomplishments are all the more impressive due to having to be earned. Take that element away and you're just basically just playing in an inconvenient version of creative mode. The situations in the OP are extremely tame in comparison to what can be achieved when someone is willing to utilise cheese tactics.

 

[Hoff]

One of the main draws of playing FTB in SMP is that accomplishments are all the more impressive due to having to be earned. Take that element away and you're just basically just playing in an inconvenient version of creative mode. The situations in the OP are extremely tame in comparison to what can be achieved when someone is willing to utilise cheese tactics.

I don't play SMP at all. No draw there. It doesn't have to be a PvP server to be competitive some people compete through what they can accomplish. Not everyone enjoys this. Not to mention it's impressive to you because it has to be earned. Not everyone enjoys earning such things in the manner prescribed by whatever dev or op you'd like to use here.

Oh and your last sentence is what sums it all up. You have to willingly choose to use it. If you can't handle that other people don't want to play on the same level of "difficulty" as you then grow up. If it makes it makes your accomplishments seem lesser because someone else has the ability to do the same thing you're doing but easier then, again, grow up. If that all fails; find a server of like minded people and play with them.

 

[Talencourt]

I don't play SMP at all. No draw there. It doesn't have to be a PvP server to be competitive some people compete through what they can accomplish. Not everyone enjoys this. Not to mention it's impressive to you because it has to be earned. Not everyone enjoys earning such things in the manner prescribed by whatever dev or op you'd like to use here.

Oh and your last sentence is what sums it all up. You have to willingly choose to use it. If you can't handle that other people don't want to play on the same level of "difficulty" as you then grow up. If it makes it makes your accomplishments seem lesser because someone else has the ability to do the same thing you're doing but easier then, again, grow up. If that all fails; find a server of like minded people and play with them.

I'm expressing my opinion on OP/imbalanced mods in SMP. My objection to said mods is that they are enabled by default on all SMP servers, and it's extremely difficult (short of outright removing the entire mods) for server admins to balance them and prevent unintended exploits from unforeseen mod interactions.

You're telling me (twice) to "grow up" because my opinion differs than yours, despite you having no interest in SMP by your own admission?

I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. Let's try and keep the discussion civil.

 

[Hoff]

I'm expressing my opinion on OP/imbalanced mods in SMP. My objection to said mods is that they are enabled by default on all SMP servers, and it's extremely difficult (short of outright removing the entire mods) for server admins to balance them and prevent unintended exploits from unforeseen mod interactions.

You're telling me (twice) to "grow up" because my opinion differs than yours, despite you having no interest in SMP by your own admission?

I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. Let's try and keep the discussion civil.

You're not really expressing your opinion of the mods you're expressing your distaste for the choices your server admins make. If a mod introduces something that does not coincide with the environment they are trying to make then it is their job to either configure it in such a way that it does or remove the mod altogether.

I'm telling you to grow up because your argument is basically "I can do it this way and it's really easy and because that's there I refuse to do it any other way." That's on you. I'm telling you a second time because if that isn't the way you're seeing it then it's: "BUT MOM he can do it the easy way; take it away from him!"

If you're opinion is that things should be changed for a portion of the players at the loss of others you're damned right I'm not going to be civil about it because it's ludicrous to argue in the first place.

 

[Talencourt]

You're not really expressing your opinion of the mods you're expressing your distaste for the choices your server admins make. If a mod introduces something that does not coincide with the environment they are trying to make then it is their job to either configure it in such a way that it does or remove the mod altogether.

I'm telling you to grow up because your argument is basically "I can do it this way and it's really easy and because that's there I refuse to do it any other way." That's on you. I'm telling you a second time because if that isn't the way you're seeing it then it's: "BUT MOM he can do it the easy way; take it away from him!"

If you're opinion is that things should be changed for a portion of the players at the loss of others you're damned right I'm not going to be civil about it because it's ludicrous to argue in the first place.

That's your opinion; mine is that it's the purview of a mod author to resolve bugs, exploits and imbalances rather than relying on individual server admins to tweak configs and work around said problems.

You've certainly clarified your position on the matter in your refusal to remain civil. There's no value in further discussion here.

 

[Hoff]

That's your opinion; mine is that it's the purview of a mod author to resolve bugs, exploits and imbalances rather than relying on individual server admins to tweak configs and work around said problems.

You've certainly clarified your position on the matter in your refusal to remain civil. There's no value in further discussion here.

I'm glad you expect mod authors to take time out of their schedules to deal with the problems of only a portion of the people using their mods.

Hint: Cross-mod exploits/imbalances/whatever are not their problem. They're yours because you're choosing to use the mods together.

 

[mallrat208]

That's your opinion; mine is that it's the purview of a mod author to resolve bugs, exploits and imbalances rather than relying on individual server admins to tweak configs and work around said problems.

It is not the Modders job to balance against a Mod their creation might interact with.

It is, however, not unreasonable to expect an admin to act like one and configure their server how they want it.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

 

[Talencourt]

I'm glad you expect mod authors to take time out of their schedules to deal with the problems of only a portion of the people using their mods.

Hint: Cross-mod exploits/imbalances/whatever are not their problem. They're yours because you're choosing to use the mods together.

Again, I disagree. Having ones mod as a core component of a high-profile pack is of considerable benefit to a mod author. Let's not be disingenuous about that. My opinion is that this benefit comes with a measure of responsibility. Not to hold the hands of and pander to every admin/player of that mod-pack, but at the very least to ensure that the mod does not fundamentally break the balance of the pack. It doesn't appear that we'll reach a consensus on this issue.

 

[Hoff]

Again, I disagree. Having ones mod as a core component of a high-profile pack is of considerable benefit to a mod author. Let's not be disingenuous about that. My opinion is that this benefit comes with a measure of responsibility. Not to hold the hands of and pander to every admin/player of that mod-pack, but at the very least to ensure that the mod does not fundamentally break the balance of the pack. It doesn't appear that we'll reach a consensus on this issue.

I actually laughed.

It is not the benefit of the mod dev to have his mod in the pack it is the creators of ftb that are at the mercy of the will of the mod devs. Most of them have told the FTB devs that would immediately pull permissions if certain things were done. This pack is not the mod devs responsibility. To view it as such, that the mod pack be held to a higher standard than the mods themselves, is something that ought to be plentiful evidence of insanity. Balance is also a relative arbitrary term because there is no such thing as a universal balance among all the players; merely a default.

tl;dr: A mod devs actual mod always comes before any mod pack.