Low on tin
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Well IC2-Ore used to create best arround the layer of 40. The problem in FTB is that only forestry-tin is enabled which is bit problematic since some mods (exspecially GregTech) increased the tin-usage to account for multiple mods spawning it. The better option would be reducing tin-usage, which is possible with some workarounds like wax capsules instead of tin-cells.
I always have a load of tin since I swap to bees as fast as I can for capsules but I seem to find more than enough for use, just branch mining at y=12, like my current world i have a couple stacks of tin and haven't started on the bees yet, I also skip straight over coal fired gens (need the coalcoke for later) and go geogen to start so that does use a bit. Another trick if you are having issues is don't use cells make cans from forestry, 12\make.
Just curious, what are you actually using your tin on?
One way to solve your tin shortage could be to set up a factorization line to get the 300% yield from ores.
Another would be as WTFFFS mentions to get bees up and going, or at least make sure you use forestry cans instead of IC2 cells whenever you'r able to.
And as far as i know will tin spawn in near equal amounts in all layers, so there isn't really a best layer to mine them on.
One way to solve your tin shortage could be to set up a factorization line to get the 300% yield from ores.
Another would be as WTFFFS mentions to get bees up and going, or at least make sure you use forestry cans instead of IC2 cells whenever you'r able to.
And as far as i know will tin spawn in near equal amounts in all layers, so there isn't really a best layer to mine them on.
You can also centrifuge lava cells for tin, you get 40 tin per 64 cells, 64 cells are 32 tin, this means you get 8 extra tin per cycle. You will also get 4 gold, 32 pyrite dust and a wolframium cell. (which can be used to make iridium in the fusion reactor)
If you create a few automated lines, you should get out of your tin trouble in no time.
If you create a few automated lines, you should get out of your tin trouble in no time.
Low tin is a known problem, forestry generates less tin than ic2. We will switch to ic2 gen in he next pack.
In newer versions of gregtech you can use industrial grinder to get tin and nickel as byproduct and centrifuge iron dust into tin and nickel.
Wow. many solutions. 
Most of my tin goes to machines and those cells. I centrifuge alot. I'll try if cans work.
I've lost already 3 sets of drills and chainsaw.
I got a battery array. before I finally got enought diamonds/rubies. I though Tin was more common.
Most of my tin goes to machines and those cells. I centrifuge alot. I'll try if cans work.
I've lost already 3 sets of drills and chainsaw.
I got a battery array.
before I finally got enought diamonds/rubies. I though Tin was more common. Wow. many solutions.
Most of my tin goes to machines and those cells. I centrifuge alot. I'll try if cans work.
I've lost already 3 sets of drills and chainsaw.
I got a battery array.
I just extract all the cells i get from the industrial centrifuge and put the now empty cells back in. Since the fusion reactor is woefully underpowered, it doesn't seem worth it to waste all the tin to keep making new cells.
Hmm. Thats a good idea. I have an excess of helium? or was it hydrogen which I dont think I need as much.
The fusion reactor is getting buffed in newer versions of GregTech. If you have a lot of Hydrogen Cells now, I recomment you turn them into Tritium Cells - you will only get 1 Tritium out of 4 Deuterium, and 1 Deuterium out of 4 Hydrogen, so in the end you get 15 out of 16 cells back while still keeping a valuable fuel source in storage.
If you use IC2, then tin only spawns below y=40 and copper spawns in ridiculous amounts (about 2.5 times as abundant as iron, was it?). Depending on how and where you are mining, that means you won't see any tin at all but fill your entire inventory with copper
If you're low on tin but have a lot of iron, you can build a setup around Thermal Expansion, Railcraft and the Industrial Centrifuge. Basically you generate Lava with TE (Igneous Extruder & Magma Crucible), feed it via a TE Liquid Transposer into a Railcraft Steam Boiler. This will provide energy and onve it's heated, you system will generate more lava than the Boiler needs. Put it into cells and centrifuge a stack of it. One Stack of lava cells will eventually get you 40 tin, 4 gold ingots and 32 Pyrite Dust, effectively netting infinite tin, gold and iron. the 40 tin can be made into 80 more lava cells (or 64 lava cells and 8 extra tin), the pyrite dust can be centrifuged further into iron and sulfur and the gold is also nice to have
This setup was posted by someone on this forum in a thread about power-generation, so it's not my design, but I am using it extensively in my world.
This setup was posted by someone on this forum in a thread about power-generation, so it's not my design, but I am using it extensively in my world.
There are some good posts above. Stuff Im gonna try!
AS A GENERAL POINT though Id like to tell you how I imprroved my mining effiency for all ore's not just tin.
As a complete Newb I thought building a quarry would be the answer to all my problems, I was wrong. With a quarry of standard size its first toatal yeild came up at something like 14 tin, 40 some Iron Ore, a boatload of silver, 30 odd copper and then a few each of the other ores. Coal was sorted straight back into a generator to aid the process and I got a few rubbies and lots of redstone. Given all the coal, coke and lava cells it took to power it was dissapointing.
Since I had been mining manually for about a few days to get some resources to start building machines I already had mines down to around the Diamond levels. If you have a jetpack you could start in an old quarry. Once I had enough stuff I found that making mining turtles improved the ore collection a huge amount. They need a Diamond pick axe to start with but on the mining turtle its Unbreaking so is well worth the "Expendature".
I go down to diamond level. Around lava lake level so I might get Obsidian too. Then set off a mining turtle at a solid wall with the command "tunnel 100". Throw in some coal then go and do some other stuff. The turtles dont actually get that much ore (Like the quarry). What they do do though is cut huge tunnels for you. After a while I go back to where I set the turtle (or turtles as it is now) off. Then follow the tunnels they made. I then manually collect all the ores that are easy to reach on the walls of the tunnel. This method also uncovers all the caverns and the like it would take an age to find mining manually. Its surprising how many times I set into the tunnel wall, floor or ceiling for say a block of Iron ore or whatever and then find Tin or Diamonds or whatever behind what I originally started mining. Since Im only gettting the ores its much more ecconomical on pickaxes as im not picking through swathes of cobblestone to get at the ores.
After following my mining turtles, at the monent I have 2 at this low level. I go and manually collect the ores they uncover (Still a pain I know but it doesnt take that long). I typically return with 5 or 6 Diamonds. Stacks of Iron Ore and anything from 20 to a stack of tin depending on my luck. Of course there is all the other stuff like lead, silver, copper etc, etc that I usually end up with decent yeilds of.
One tip though. Once the tunnels are getting a bit long and you had everything out of them. Break the turtle with an Iron pick axe. Take it back to the start and move along the wall and set it off again. At first I would just reach the turtle and set it going in the same direction. Eventually I had tunnels that were Incredibly long and just getting to and from my base would take half an hour without including the Mining time.
Ive been mining this way for a few days now and think though its not the easiest it is probably the most ecconomic. Mining turtles are fairly cheap to make, they run well on coal (which they mine and fuel themselves) they dont need charging. The Iron ore I recover more than makes up for the cost of the pickaxes and they dont break or need repairs.
AS A GENERAL POINT though Id like to tell you how I imprroved my mining effiency for all ore's not just tin.
As a complete Newb I thought building a quarry would be the answer to all my problems, I was wrong. With a quarry of standard size its first toatal yeild came up at something like 14 tin, 40 some Iron Ore, a boatload of silver, 30 odd copper and then a few each of the other ores. Coal was sorted straight back into a generator to aid the process and I got a few rubbies and lots of redstone. Given all the coal, coke and lava cells it took to power it was dissapointing.
Since I had been mining manually for about a few days to get some resources to start building machines I already had mines down to around the Diamond levels. If you have a jetpack you could start in an old quarry. Once I had enough stuff I found that making mining turtles improved the ore collection a huge amount. They need a Diamond pick axe to start with but on the mining turtle its Unbreaking so is well worth the "Expendature".
I go down to diamond level. Around lava lake level so I might get Obsidian too. Then set off a mining turtle at a solid wall with the command "tunnel 100". Throw in some coal then go and do some other stuff. The turtles dont actually get that much ore (Like the quarry). What they do do though is cut huge tunnels for you. After a while I go back to where I set the turtle (or turtles as it is now) off. Then follow the tunnels they made. I then manually collect all the ores that are easy to reach on the walls of the tunnel. This method also uncovers all the caverns and the like it would take an age to find mining manually. Its surprising how many times I set into the tunnel wall, floor or ceiling for say a block of Iron ore or whatever and then find Tin or Diamonds or whatever behind what I originally started mining. Since Im only gettting the ores its much more ecconomical on pickaxes as im not picking through swathes of cobblestone to get at the ores.
After following my mining turtles, at the monent I have 2 at this low level. I go and manually collect the ores they uncover (Still a pain I know but it doesnt take that long). I typically return with 5 or 6 Diamonds. Stacks of Iron Ore and anything from 20 to a stack of tin depending on my luck. Of course there is all the other stuff like lead, silver, copper etc, etc that I usually end up with decent yeilds of.
One tip though. Once the tunnels are getting a bit long and you had everything out of them. Break the turtle with an Iron pick axe. Take it back to the start and move along the wall and set it off again. At first I would just reach the turtle and set it going in the same direction. Eventually I had tunnels that were Incredibly long and just getting to and from my base would take half an hour without including the Mining time.
Ive been mining this way for a few days now and think though its not the easiest it is probably the most ecconomic. Mining turtles are fairly cheap to make, they run well on coal (which they mine and fuel themselves) they dont need charging. The Iron ore I recover more than makes up for the cost of the pickaxes and they dont break or need repairs.