You can't dislike something just because you dislike it. It's like saying you dislike bread because it's bread, or when you were a kid and your parents tell you no, "Because I said so." It doesn't make any sense. You can dislike it because you don't like the recipes, or the machines it adds, but disliking something just because makes no sense.
It's GregTech, Jim... but not as we know it
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It doesn't have to make sense it's an opinion. You can think anything you want. Anything. It is not limited to the reality of logic or plausibility but that does not necessarily mean anything in particular about someone who believes it. Do I consider all those who believe in a God through faith alone insane? No. It is simply an opinion.
While you are always entitled to your opinion, no matter how founded or unfounded it might be, your negative opinion of the mod does not entitle you to spread false information about the mods, which is what my problem with the poster I responded to was. His statement that the mod is self-referential was absolutely untrue. No amount of liking or disliking is going to change the falseness of the statement.
The whole point of the thread was to point out that this was, in fact, no longer the case, and those who disliked it for that reason might wish to give it another go. If you don't... hey, that's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it. However, I'd rather people are accurately informed before making that opinion, and such blanket and false statements are contrary to that intent. Hence my observation that either he didn't actually bother reading the post, or simply didn't comprehend the nature of the post, because that precise issue was addressed there.
Not really. The OP made more of a point to show how nice the stuff it actually adds is rather than the changes it makes. You might have vaguely dropped the interlinking of mods but it was not a real point as I remember it. But really you can call any mod self-referential if during your experience you choose to ignore the parts of the mod that dispute that.
Also regardless of how wrong the statement it was it is still bad to approach it in such a bullish manner. Your post(In response to whoever it was) was more an attack on what he thought about the mod rather than mis-information.
How so? He called the user out for blatantly false information (mod that adds compatibility with everything is entirely self-referential, AESUs have no use but Fusion Reactors, lack of knowledge on GregTech logo being in every machine (implying lack of knowledge/experience with the mod itself), attitude that the Centrifuge was the only useful thing in the entire mod), if that came off as insulting, it was probably just in response to the fact that the poster didn't appear to have much experience with GregTech/didn't read entire OP, and started blatantly ripping everything in it at once.
Why would you respond to bullheaded-ness with more? It gets nothing done. As I said before you don't need to know anything about something to have an opinion on it.
I personally very much enjoy GT. I think the main reason many people do is that it DOES makes it harder to aquire certain items/machines. Making free energy should be more difficult. Building the industrial blast furnace is resource intensive and long....and it should be. It may not be to everyones taste but then you don't have to use it. I for one will continue to do so.
I would say in pretty much all cases, forming an opinion without knowing about the subject does not lead to a very informed or good opinion.
Informed or not doesn't really matter; it's someone's right to have an uninformed opinion. Whether it's "good" or not is also an opinion. Regardless it is their right to think or believe any such way.
Why do you need 100,000,000 eu storage? Because you need more storage for more machines.. Especially when you have something like 8 ind. electrolyzers, 8 ind. blast furnaces, 32 ind. centrifuge (well even the 2048 eu/t from single AESU is not enough if you run all of these at the same time)
What's the reason of matter fabricator? it's sooooo EXPENSIVE.. because mass fabricator is too cheap. 166k eu per uum? .. man.. I need 256k eu to smelt 1 tungsten dust to 1 tungsten ingot..
Why do you need Fusion Reactor? What's the purpose of this? Hmm.. because spamming ultimate hybrid solar panels is too easy? yeah that's one of the reason, the main reason is to feed the matter fabricator, so you can make array of Fusion Reactors..
(ofc you can also do it with bazillion amount of windmills, solar panels, lava and other..)
Why some people don't like GT? because well... they just don't like GT lol..
Why I use default GT? because vanilla IC2 getting repetitive after some time (even after disabling GTG+ all free energy).. I want something different.
What's the reason of matter fabricator? it's sooooo EXPENSIVE.. because mass fabricator is too cheap. 166k eu per uum? .. man.. I need 256k eu to smelt 1 tungsten dust to 1 tungsten ingot..
Why do you need Fusion Reactor? What's the purpose of this? Hmm.. because spamming ultimate hybrid solar panels is too easy? yeah that's one of the reason, the main reason is to feed the matter fabricator, so you can make array of Fusion Reactors..
(ofc you can also do it with bazillion amount of windmills, solar panels, lava and other..)Why some people don't like GT? because well... they just don't like GT lol..
Why I use default GT? because vanilla IC2 getting repetitive after some time (even after disabling GTG+ all free energy).. I want something different.
It still doesn't give anyone the right to make false claims about the mod, regardless of their opinion.
Stating "I don't like this mod because..." is perfectly acceptable.
Stating "This mod is useless because it is self-referential" is not, because it is entirely untrue.
You can like or dislike the mod all you want, that's your decision and your opinion. However, a LOT has changed about GregTech, including a lot of mid-tier and even low-tier machines, and has recipes which are actually CHEAPER than 'core' IC2 recipes. These changes have occurred after 1.4.2 and are included in 1.4.6, which means people who were introduced to GregTech through the Beta Pack might not be familiar with them. People who disliked the mod due to the lack of low and mid tier machinery might wish to give it another go, as I stated in the OP.
Having your opinion also entitles you to changing your opinion if the object at hand changes. It also entitles you to not change your opinion, if that is your decision. Some people might like the opportunity to review the updated version before deciding to revise or not revise their opinion of the mod. For those people, I have made the OP to inform them. Hence the title, yanno?
Actually that is exactly what it allows people to do. I can claim EE3 is entirely self-referential if I want to. An opinion does not have to be based in the truth. I can claim anything I want about anyone or anything at any time. Whether people believe me or not is up to them.
The rest I agree with.
When an opinion is masquerading as a fact, it's called Slander, Libel, or Fraud, depending on the circumstances and venue. So yea... not really.
But hey, if you have no problem with lying about something you don't like in order to reduce popular opinion of it, perhaps you should consider Politics as a career option. You'd be a natural
No post in a forum should be considered anything other than the express opinion of the poster unless otherwise indicated. That's a basic understanding of forums. Not to mention when everyone else has been posting how the felt about it it can be assumed it was his opinion of the mod.
But hey, if you have no problem with lying about something you don't like in order to reduce popular opinion of it, perhaps you should consider Politics as a career option. You'd be a natural
I have no problem with someone's right to lie. I don't really care what they do with it.
You're right though; politics was very easy for me when I was a part of it. It's just a waste of humans to have it though.
So if I say "Apple sucks because all of their products are made on the moon and take up 70% of the world's resources" with the intention of getting people not to buy Apple products, there is nothing wrong with that whatsoever?
Not in my opinion since they could just say some other insane thing about you. Morally that's up to you.
Getting back to discussion of the mod (instead of the more meta 'discussion of discussion of the mod')...
I'm confused by this. Tin is a renewable resource? Or is there another way to make empty cells now that NEI isn't showing me? Because I tested using carbon cells to make carbon fibre earlier and it consumed the cells.
I'm confused by this. Tin is a renewable resource? Or is there another way to make empty cells now that NEI isn't showing me? Because I tested using carbon cells to make carbon fibre earlier and it consumed the cells.
Huh. That was unexpected. Thanks for the tip.
Alright, since I'm learning new things: Is there a way of getting diesel cells that doesn't involve destroying tin or wax containers in a squeezer?
There is, pump fuel to Railcraft iron tank and then put empty cell on it (I failed to automate it since I didn't know how to force tin cell to the GUI of it).
You can also pump fuel the quantum tank, and put empty cells to the "in" slot (I can automate the process by using advanced buffer and electric translocator haven't tried BC/RP2 pipes) .