I had hoped JABBA would add an option to change the aesthetics of the barrels aswell, sadly I haven't seen such an option yet.
How to see whats inside of my DSU from Outside.
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Aye. The top-tier Emerald makes logical sense from an ingredient rarity point of view, but unless you're aiming for a Christmas-y theme or a Leprechaun theme, it looks pretty bad.
Hmmm...can't you stick with the DSUs on storage buses hidden away and craft those ME Storage Monitor that you can choose what to show up on it? And you could do the same with the JABBA barrels too if you dislike the color.
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sure we could. But what I like about the Jabbas is that I I can block/unblock , see the item count and type all in one block.
Your way would make me put every item in the Storage Bus Filters AND into the monitor AND conect the monitor with a cable to ME-Network.
Wich results into: More energie needs, more lag, more space needed, more configuration needed in case I want to swich a item. But cooler design.
Thats why I was thinking about the 64K chips.
Depend on your personal mindset
My is to make the most with the littelst efort possible. Just like in reallife I think if you look it up in a dictionary they call it "lazzynes"
Joke aside, both options are posible and valid. Not much of a difference.
I am already using this mechanic and it works as expected. A barrel with a storage bus set to priority 128 and another storage bus on a trash can with priority 1. Whenever the barrel is full, the rest is "stored" in the trash can.
Though this was with FZ barrels but I guess it's safe to assume JABBA barrels work the same regarding this issue.
But you
It would be wise, yes, but not always needed. If you setup the priorities correctly (ie. Make sure the trash can storage bus is the lowest priority of them all) it works as an automatic overflow protection. But yeah, for my own peace of mind I always filter items there
It would be wise, yes, but not always needed. If you setup the priorities correctly (ie. Make sure the trash can storage bus is the lowest priority of them all) it works as an automatic overflow protection. But yeah, for my own peace of mind I always filter items there
?? So given the Case that you have a barrel for Cobble with priority 128, ME drive for the rest of the items with priority in between 128 and 1 and your trashcan at 1.
All the cobbel will go into your drive until its full and then go to the overflow. Or were do you store items that are not in barrles? Like f.e. itemducts.
Whaaaaaa? What is this? Something I absolutely hate about JABBA is that every tier of Upgrade recipe requires the previous Upgrade -- AND you have to apply the previous upgrade prior to applying the next one... This is so freaking tedious is makes me cry; does this help with that issue?
You'd still want the trashcan for the items you never want to keep, right? Like when your sludge boiler kicks out another dozen stacks of mud
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Whaaaaaa? What is this? Something I absolutely hate about JABBA is that every tier of Upgrade recipe requires the previous Upgrade -- AND you have to apply the previous upgrade prior to applying the next one... This is so freaking tedious is makes me cry; does this help with that issue?
You'd still want the trashcan for the items you never want to keep, right? Like when your sludge boiler kicks out another dozen stacks of mud
@AlanEsh Yes, they improved the tedious upgrade process. You still have to apply each tier of 'Structure', but the storage upgrades can be applied in stacks of 3 or 9.
The old tier upgrades. They don't add capacity anymore IIRC but add upgrade slots.
So all my emerald Upgrades barrels from last version has what?
If emerald upgrade nos is Upgrade Slots do I have to plug them again a emerald upgrade? I don´t get it sorry.
The emerald upgrade is part of your upgrade slot line. Each material upgrade allows for other upgrades. I'll have to check again in game, but basically your emerald barrels are able to hold 9 upgrades. It's weird, I admit, that the emerald upgrade isn't really an upgrade, it just allows for them. All barrel tier's only allow for upgrades, they are not actual upgrades in the true sense.
lol.. reminds me of my ultimate world
Cleared out an RP2 volcano routed everything with a few factorization filters. Wish I knew about AE back then.
http://imgur.com/a/Akiw8
The new Jabba has separated capacity upgrades from other upgrades. To do any upgrades with Jabba barrels now, you have to apply "Structure" upgrades. Those are still:
wood --> iron --> gold --> diamond --> obsidian --> ender stone --> emerald
A Wooden Structure upgrade will grant you 1 upgrade 'slot'. You can use that slot for capacity or a feature, like Void, Hopper, or Redstone. Each tier of structure give you twice the previous. In iron grants you 2 more, so a wooden + iron is 1 + 2 = 3. As before, you *have* to apply the previous tier.
As an example, an Obsidian will grant you 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 = 31 or 2^5 - 1 = 31 upgrade slots. I usually use 1 slot for Void and 2 slots for Bspace and leave 1 available in case I want a Hopper upgrade. That gives me then:
31 - (1 + 2 + 1) = 27 upgrade slots for capacity
Each capacity upgrade allows you to store 64 more stacks on top of the base 64. So, (1 + 27) * 64 = 1792 stacks. For a typical item which stacks to 64 items per stack, that's a capacity of 114,688. For me, that's plenty. The Obsidian with the black border looks nice, IMHO.
The maximum size is Emerald with (2^7 - 1 = 127) upgrade slots. If you use all of those for capacity, you have a maximum of (1 + 127) * 64 = 8192 stacks for a maximum of 524,288 items if the item stacks to 64.
I have replaced almost all of my Item Tesseracts with Jabba barrels with the Bspace upgrade and for the most part, have only 1 'inventory' of any given item. I have a wall of 42 Jabba barrels backed by ME Storage Buses and have so far not noticed any difference in frame rate when looking at them vs. looking away. ProfMobius has worked hard to keep client lag down. He's using minimal rendering for the items and text for the um....text...on the barrels.
I didn't notice any increase in server CPU, but any increase in resources would be lost in the noise of everything else I have built on the server.
Summary
Jabba 1.1.1 Pros
Good capacity, lots of features in 1 block
Jabba 1.1.1 Cons
Building a top-tier barrel requires lots of upgrades (clicks)
Jabba vs. DSUs:
DSU has (far more) capacity
DSU is cheaper
Jabba has many more features like Bspace, Void, and Hopper
Jabba looks better, IMHO
Jabba has direct barrel interaction (no GUI)
A hybrid approach is not a bad idea. For items that people like to hoard like cobblestone, dirt, wood, charcoal, etc.,. you can use a DSU. Then, for everything else, use Jabba. You can also mix-and-match and use ME Storage Bus priorities to balance (prioritize) between DSUs and Jabba.
You will then get best of both worlds and can use nice-looking Jabba barrels like Obsidian or Ender Stone with highest-priority ME Storage Bus while keeping DSUs with the same item with lower-priority ME Storage Bus hidden way. Or, reverse that if you're relying upon Void upgrade to keep item from overflowing, though I have no idea how one would overflow a DSU unless you were trying very, very hard. Even then, you could add a trashcan with an ME Storage Bus and filter to void the items you may overflow with.
wood --> iron --> gold --> diamond --> obsidian --> ender stone --> emerald
A Wooden Structure upgrade will grant you 1 upgrade 'slot'. You can use that slot for capacity or a feature, like Void, Hopper, or Redstone. Each tier of structure give you twice the previous. In iron grants you 2 more, so a wooden + iron is 1 + 2 = 3. As before, you *have* to apply the previous tier.
As an example, an Obsidian will grant you 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 = 31 or 2^5 - 1 = 31 upgrade slots. I usually use 1 slot for Void and 2 slots for Bspace and leave 1 available in case I want a Hopper upgrade. That gives me then:
31 - (1 + 2 + 1) = 27 upgrade slots for capacity
Each capacity upgrade allows you to store 64 more stacks on top of the base 64. So, (1 + 27) * 64 = 1792 stacks. For a typical item which stacks to 64 items per stack, that's a capacity of 114,688. For me, that's plenty. The Obsidian with the black border looks nice, IMHO.
The maximum size is Emerald with (2^7 - 1 = 127) upgrade slots. If you use all of those for capacity, you have a maximum of (1 + 127) * 64 = 8192 stacks for a maximum of 524,288 items if the item stacks to 64.
I have replaced almost all of my Item Tesseracts with Jabba barrels with the Bspace upgrade and for the most part, have only 1 'inventory' of any given item. I have a wall of 42 Jabba barrels backed by ME Storage Buses and have so far not noticed any difference in frame rate when looking at them vs. looking away. ProfMobius has worked hard to keep client lag down. He's using minimal rendering for the items and text for the um....text...on the barrels.
I didn't notice any increase in server CPU, but any increase in resources would be lost in the noise of everything else I have built on the server.
Summary
Jabba 1.1.1 Pros
Good capacity, lots of features in 1 block
Jabba 1.1.1 Cons
Building a top-tier barrel requires lots of upgrades (clicks)
Jabba vs. DSUs:
DSU has (far more) capacity
DSU is cheaper
Jabba has many more features like Bspace, Void, and Hopper
Jabba looks better, IMHO
Jabba has direct barrel interaction (no GUI)
A hybrid approach is not a bad idea. For items that people like to hoard like cobblestone, dirt, wood, charcoal, etc.,. you can use a DSU. Then, for everything else, use Jabba. You can also mix-and-match and use ME Storage Bus priorities to balance (prioritize) between DSUs and Jabba.
You will then get best of both worlds and can use nice-looking Jabba barrels like Obsidian or Ender Stone with highest-priority ME Storage Bus while keeping DSUs with the same item with lower-priority ME Storage Bus hidden way. Or, reverse that if you're relying upon Void upgrade to keep item from overflowing, though I have no idea how one would overflow a DSU unless you were trying very, very hard. Even then, you could add a trashcan with an ME Storage Bus and filter to void the items you may overflow with.
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