How to build 800+ Coke Oven setups semi automated??

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Harvest88

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I tried BC's Artirect's table and builder's but the stupid builder will not even set the "Caution Tape" when I put the blue print of the Coke Oven soo is BC hate Multiblocks or am I doing something stupid? Then all I would have to do is manually supply the builder and then connects the tubes and ducts. Oh and I need that many ovens cause I want to cook my ton and half woods for every last drop of "tasty" cresoite oil from my MFR farm. That's way I can never run out of wooden railbeds and also for maybe running a few HP boilers on the side. (you need 104 ovens per fully heated max sized HP boiler)
 

lolpierandom

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You're using the architect table and builder, that's what you're doing wrong. They do not work. Period. They have been disabled for a while.
 
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Anubis

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Last I heard the Builder and all the blueprint stuff was disabled, it's been awhile so it might have been fixed in 1.5.x

Edit : damn ninjas are everywhere!
 

lolpierandom

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It isn't fixed in 1.5, in fact, Sengir has removed the recipe and block from the creative menu entirely.
 

ThemsAllTook

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A turtle might be your best bet. Should be a pretty simple script. With the amount of tracks you get from one wooden railbed, though, I'm now curious what you're doing that would require so many - are you building a rail line that's hundreds of kilometers long?
 

TangentialThreat

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That's insane, but you probably already know that.

Can you get the builder to build other things? This is also simple, repetitive and fuckhuge enough that I'd consider writing a turtle script.
 

Harvest88

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Uhh tower them up over a large area and since they take forever I need them by the 100s to do any major cresoite oil and charcoal making. It's really is a pain in the rear to do that soo wished you could make faster ovens and/or bigger ones that work faster than the standard sized one.. They take 180 seconds so yea 3 minutes per charcoal and 1/4 bucket of the oil is soo slow. At least they do the firing for free!
 

SteveTech

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Well I may be wrong here but I always imagined the point/goal was to set one up early, always toss new coal in it, and by the time you are ready for rails you have a large supply of oil...
 

Harvest88

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Well I may be wrong here but I always imagined the point/goal was to set one up early, always toss new coal in it, and by the time you are ready for rails you have a large supply of oil...
Did you forget that you can run a HP boiler max sized for every 104 "wood fueled" coke ovens? I'll simply use some HP boilers when I don't need so much rails and who's doesn't like "free" firing?
 

Enigmius1

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As others have said, use turtles. You can learn enough about LUA to build an unlimited quantity of coke ovens in a fraction of the time it would take you to build them by hand, and you'll have developed a valuable new skill in the process.

Turtles: the other other other white meat, only they're not for eating. They're for awesome. Lean awesome.
 

Chrissy

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You would need like, a 2400X2400 for all those, How or why would you need such a thing
It would take a larger building then THAT to even hold the stuff, Unless i misunderstood, in what case correct me
 

Loufmier

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if you have an mfr farm, you can turn those logs into charcoal with induction furnace, and use that charcoal to power the furnace and mfr farm, and after that you can power a boiler, or few, depends on a farm. for massive creosote oil amounts you can use bees.
 

Grunguk

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This is actually something that I was considering doing not so long ago. It may be the the most efficient use of a wood farm's log output. Creosote oil has a pretty good heat value in railcraft boilers.
 

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You would need like, a 2400X2400 for all those, How or why would you need such a thing
It would take a larger building then THAT to even hold the stuff, Unless i misunderstood, in what case correct me

If you have flat bedrock and build a tower of them up to y 73 you can fit 288 of them in one chunk. On one level you can place 16 coke ovens with one space between them and between 1-73 (73 would be the roof over the last oven) you would have 18 levels that would consist of floor - oven - floor - oven. So for 288 you would need a 16x72x16 area, while for 1152 ovens you would need a 32x72x32 area. Technically the areas would be 15 wide and long, but you'd need spaces which can be placed along the chunk boundaries so you keep the ovens within 15x15 areas.
 

arentol

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This is actually something that I was considering doing not so long ago. It may be the the most efficient use of a wood farm's log output. Creosote oil has a pretty good heat value in railcraft boilers.

It may be the most "efficient" use of the output, but it is far from the most efficient use of space or effort. You could fit 800 Coke ovens in 4 chunks, all auto-filled and emptied, with a tree farm to feed them and tanks and storage chests for everything to be stored in, and even the resulting boilers and power systems if you wanted, but the total system would probably use up all 4 chunks from bedrock to 256 and would take a ridiculous amount of time to build, even with a turtle placing the coke ovens themselves. Or on those same 4 chunks you could build 4 times as many tree farms and less "efficient", but much, much, much smaller processing systems, and output twice as much power, set up the system in 1/10th the time, only have to build from bedrock to surface, if even that much, and output twice as much power.

So yeah.. It is indeed probably the most efficient way to use the output of a tree farm, but it is far from the most efficient way to get power from a tree farm.[DOUBLEPOST=1370023247][/DOUBLEPOST]
If you have flat bedrock and build a tower of them up to y 73 you can fit 288 of them in one chunk. On one level you can place 16 coke ovens with one space between them and between 1-73 (73 would be the roof over the last oven) you would have 18 levels that would consist of floor - oven - floor - oven. So for 288 you would need a 16x72x16 area, while for 1152 ovens you would need a 32x72x32 area. Technically the areas would be 15 wide and long, but you'd need spaces which can be placed along the chunk boundaries so you keep the ovens within 15x15 areas.

Why stop at y73? Wouldn't it make more sense to go all the way up?
 

Daemonblue

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Why stop at y73? Wouldn't it make more sense to go all the way up?

Because that would keep most of the system hidden underground and all you'd see from ground level would be a small factory. You could, of course, increase the height by a ton.

The way I personally do levels is 8n+1 for the y value. What this does is factor in your max upward reach. While on foot position 1, if you mine straight up and then stand on the block you can't reach you'll be at foot position 9, so your levels would be multiples of 8+1 for where your foot position is. The way this works out is you have 7 blocks of air and the 8th block is the ceiling. Due to this lay out you can make each level two floors per level with a height of 3 per floor.

Yea, I know, that probably came across all weird, but that's how I do my mining and whatnot (though I personally prefer a 4-2 split for floors so I have the main floor that's 4 high with a 2 high space to hide the wiring for my machines).


I know you didn't ask all of that, but it's a way to factor how many sets of 3x3 ovens you can place in a chunk. Each level can contain 32 ovens (each level consists of 2 floors). Then reverse the 8n+1 equation where 8n+1=256 (for max build height). Then 8n=255 which comes out to 31.875, or only 31 levels where you can place full coke ovens. There's two floors per level so 62 floors, each floor holds 16 ovens so 62x16 = 992. So if you have flat bedrock and build to the max possible height limit you can fit 992 coke ovens in a single chunk, but then you'd have a massive square tower going on forever.


tl;dr If you did build to max height you'd get 992 coke ovens into one chunk with flat bedrock.
 

arentol

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That is an awfully complex way of getting to the wrong answer. You can build on 63 levels, not 62. So you can fit 1008 ovens in a chunk. Your mistake was choosing a personal and arbitrary rule for floor heights that caused you to make a simple math error. Here is a very extreme example to illustrate what happened:

I only build in 256n sections. 255/256n = 0.999, which is less than 1, and so I have no room to build even a single coke oven. :rolleyes:

Obviously 31.875 means you can build on 31.5*2 = 63 layers because .875 is more than 0.5 and you only need 0.5 8n layers to build a coke oven. This would have been much easier to solve if you had just used the ACTUAL height needed per layer, which is 4. 255/4 = 63.75 = 63 layers of coke ovens.

tl;dr If you did build to max height you'd get 1008 coke ovens into one chunk with flat bedrock.