How do I make Steel Block from Steel Ingots!?

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LazDude2012

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Personally, I'm waiting for them to do what Sengir did with Technic (in a milder way) and just have their mods refuse to load if GregTech is present.
That'd be an even better troll, and a good nudge for Greg to just go make his own mod.
 

ShneekeyTheLost

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Guys, I don't see what all the hate is about.

Granted, GregTech, by default, changes some 'core IC2' recipes about. However, there's this thing... it's called a config file... it can be used to change it back. It's even explicitly spelled out on his IC2 addon forum post HOW to do so. Change a couple of 'true' to 'false' and you're DONE. That's it.

By that same token, some people enjoy the challenge. Heck, that's what FTB started as... they saw Skyblock, and said 'How could I do this... with mods... and still make it hard'. They designed the FTB map with the mod's capabilities in mind, particularly EE2 but also all the others, and REQUIRED you to take every last shortcut you could just to make it work. EMC generation to Energy Condensers wasn't just 'a time-saver at best and cheaty at worst', it was the ONLY way to progress. You literally could not get past the initial step without it. Before you could make the very first achievement, you needed to farm zombie pigmen for gold nuggets to turn into a gold ingot to transmute into iron so you could make your very first machines. That was the ONLY source of iron in the entire map!

GregTech makes it harder. Some people like it hard. Some people will say "Go ahead, make that macerator require diamonds... I'll STILL own that thing". The Mindcrack pack caters to those people, so naturally, they keep those settings.

Mindcrack Pack was made for those people who like it 'hardcore', who want that additional level of challenge, who want something tougher to beat, just so they can point and say "Yea, see that? Pssh, no sweat." These are the people who have screenshots of their completed Super Hostile monument, who have faced The Beast, and fed it until it could eat no more. For these people, GregTech's alterations are a challenge... a gauntlet thrown down, and one they will gratefully pick up, with a flourish and a salute.

For those that don't, edit your config file. It's not that hard. You can do it in any text editor with zero coding experience. The IC2 addon forum post explicitly details the precise steps needed to make this change. So does the linked Wiki. If you really want, I could post a MMC Config Pack with the necessary alterations. However, if you really don't want GregTech, just play on the DirePack. It doesn't have GregTech installed at all, and is designed for a much more relaxed and casual play style.
 

raiju

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It's not a violation of modders' rights, just their visions. I don't think SpaceToad would like GregTech cheapening his gates in FOD. I don't think Sengir wants his diamantine tubes to be exchanged with something that doesn't even require any diamonds. Basically, GregTech, when used, goes against other modders' principles. If Technic had made a mod that did this, people would freak. "They're not respecting the modder's wishes!" But it's GregT. Basically, what I'm saying is that "modders first" and GregTech are aligned in opposite directions, as GregTech considers Greg first and other modders last.

As far as I'm aware he gets their permission, hence no RP2 changes. Respecting their wishes would fall right into that. Everyone knows what gregtech does so it's hardly a bait and switch.

@KriiEiter traincraft caused issues with it's easy steel recipe and I don't think greg has permission to change that mod. Instead the traincraft dev agreed to remove his steel from the oredict so that it didn't trivialize other recipes.
 

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It's not a violation of modders' rights, just their visions. I don't think SpaceToad would like GregTech cheapening his gates in FOD. I don't think Sengir wants his diamantine tubes to be exchanged with something that doesn't even require any diamonds. Basically, GregTech, when used, goes against other modders' principles. If Technic had made a mod that did this, people would freak. "They're not respecting the modder's wishes!" But it's GregT. Basically, what I'm saying is that "modders first" and GregTech are aligned in opposite directions, as GregTech considers Greg first and other modders last.

How do you get BC gate from circuits? using the almighty lexicon? IIRC Greg only implement one way conversion which is BC gates as a replacement of circuits in his machines/modified IC2 machines, I don't say this is a clever replacement because I don't think someone in their correct mind will use those gates instead of circuits.

And also, it's your choice to use the GregTech however you want, hence the config.

Although I agree that the block storage compressor recipes cause problems, well this have to wait until he recode his unificator thingie.. (which is soon)..
 

Hydra

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True, it's an optional addon. What I'm saying is that I'm against the way he does things, and personally, I think it goes afoul of the FTB "modders first" philosophy, and probably shouldn't be included because of that.

Don't bother. There's GT fans, and there's people who disagree with the way he does stuff. I personally feel he's a nutjob who doesn't understand the slightest thing about game-design so he just meddles with other mods instead. But that's just my opinion.[DOUBLEPOST=1357736096][/DOUBLEPOST]
For those that don't, edit your config file. It's not that hard. You can do it in any text editor with zero coding experience. The IC2 addon forum post explicitly details the precise steps needed to make this change. So does the linked Wiki. If you really want, I could post a MMC Config Pack with the necessary alterations. However, if you really don't want GregTech, just play on the DirePack. It doesn't have GregTech installed at all, and is designed for a much more relaxed and casual play style.

This problem will be solved when the Ultimate pack is out anyway. The current issue is that the "beta a" pack is basically deprecated but there's no alternative yet. Both the DW and the MC pack are the logical alternatives for new players (who don't know all the mods and only find out what has changes after they build their basic base). Once the ultimate pack comes out which will not have GT enabled by default (atleast, that's what I remember reading) we won't have these issues.
 

JCourtney

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Yep, assuming you are playing SSP or have access to the server config file.

Double-check the IDs though.

I'm hosting it on Aim2Game with Mindcrack v6 installed and I have complete access to the server. Have a link for the config? What do you mean double-check the IDs? Like the item item IDs?
 

ShneekeyTheLost

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I'm hosting it on Aim2Game with Mindcrack v6 installed and I have complete access to the server. Have a link for the config? What do you mean double-check the IDs? Like the item item IDs?
You need to be sure the item and block ID's are identical, or it will cause Bad Things to happen, like world corruption.
 

Antice

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As far as I'm aware he gets their permission, hence no RP2 changes. Respecting their wishes would fall right into that. Everyone knows what gregtech does so it's hardly a bait and switch.

@KriiEiter traincraft caused issues with it's easy steel recipe and I don't think greg has permission to change that mod. Instead the traincraft dev agreed to remove his steel from the oredict so that it didn't trivialize other recipes.

Err.. as of mindcrack v7 that steel is still in the ore dict as well steel. it can even be macerated/pulverized into the gregtech type of steel. It might be banned from being used in gretechs recipes, but i havent tested that. you can use it for railcraft boilers and whatnot tho. witch is the biggest steel user of them all.
 

Remaker

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You are much better off just setting the config yourself. Much safer and reliable. Greg himself has a full explanation of each setting on the wiki:

http://gregtech-addon.wikispaces.com/GregTech.cfg

I'm not spouting rhetoric when I say it's super easy. I had no experience with Minecraft modding, and the last time I played Mincraft was early beta back when we didn't even have beds. It still only took me five minutes to figure out what I wanted changed and then use notepad's find/replace to flood replace the sections I wanted altered.
 

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I dont see any problem with gregtech hard mode. I play with it, with 16 cells per recipe and easy quarries. I think it balances the game quite nicely, take the diamond drill, for example. With "Vanilla" IC2, upgrading from a mining drill to a diamond drill is only 3 diamonds. One lucky vein, and BAM, diamond drill. You can get one 30 minutes or an hour of playtime. No real reason to use the normal mining drill, because you are going to need obsidian eventually. Now with gregtech, getting the mining drill is actually a challenge. You actually need some of the higher tier machines to make it, the industrial electrolyzer, and industrial blast furnace. Its not complexity for the sake of complexity, its designed so you don't get really powerful tools absurdly early in the game. I, for one think multi block machines are quite cool, and the added bonuses from grinding ores in the grinder add even more reasons to keep gregtech. All this talk about "Mod developers should add code to reject gregtech because it makes it harder" is just absurd. So what if it modifies industrial craft and build craft? Its not like you have to use the hard recipes, or even have gregtech installed at all. Gregtech expands on these mods, its not as if its actually removing content from other mods. If that were the case, yes, you could expect mod developers to get angry. But it isnt. There is nothing stopping you from editing the config to your liking. So stop bitching about it. That is all.
 
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Saice

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take the diamond drill, for example. With "Vanilla" IC2, upgrading from a mining drill to a diamond drill is only 3 diamonds. One lucky vein, and BAM, diamond drill. You can get one 30 minutes or an hour of playtime. No real reason to use the normal mining drill, because you are going to need obsidian eventually. Now with gregtech, getting the mining drill is actually a challenge.

Snipped this down. This right here is the core reason I enjoy Gregtech and the Mindcrack Pack. I like the way the tiers of tech are set up and the idea that I can't just get lucky and BAM epic tools. But that is just how I enjoy playing. What boggles my mind is the amount of Hate at Gregtech when it is an optional add on if your rolling your own mod pak. And even when its part of your premade pak it is totaly configurable and has a fairly easy to read config file and 5 minutes in google will turn up hand holding step by steps how to if you need that. It literally is a totally optional thing.
 

JCourtney

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I dont see any problem with gregtech hard mode. I play with it, with 16 cells per recipe and easy quarries. I think it balances the game quite nicely, take the diamond drill, for example. With "Vanilla" IC2, upgrading from a mining drill to a diamond drill is only 3 diamonds. One lucky vein, and BAM, diamond drill. You can get one 30 minutes or an hour of playtime. No real reason to use the normal mining drill, because you are going to need obsidian eventually. Now with gregtech, getting the mining drill is actually a challenge. You actually need some of the higher tier machines to make it, the industrial electrolyzer, and industrial blast furnace. Its not complexity for the sake of complexity, its designed so you don't get really powerful tools absurdly early in the game. I, for one think multi block machines are quite cool, and the added bonuses from grinding ores in the grinder add even more reasons to keep gregtech. All this talk about "Mod developers should add code to reject gregtech because it makes it harder" is just absurd. So what if it modifies industrial craft and build craft? Its not like you have to use the hard recipes, or even have gregtech installed at all. Gregtech expands on these mods, its not as if its actually removing content from other mods. If that were the case, yes, you could expect mod developers to get angry. But it isnt. There is nothing stopping you from editing the config to your liking. So stop bitching about it. That is all.

Pretty sure it did fuck the shit of me being able to make Steel Blocks with Railcraft. So yeah, they should be getting mad.
 

LazDude2012

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Snipped this down. This right here is the core reason I enjoy Gregtech and the Mindcrack Pack. I like the way the tiers of tech are set up and the idea that I can't just get lucky and BAM epic tools. But that is just how I enjoy playing. What boggles my mind is the amount of Hate at Gregtech when it is an optional add on if your rolling your own mod pak. And even when its part of your premade pak it is totaly configurable and has a fairly easy to read config file and 5 minutes in google will turn up hand holding step by steps how to if you need that. It literally is a totally optional thing.
Saice: I dislike it on principle. Greg has his vision, and that's awesome. We all have visions. But instead of making his own mod to fit his vision, he twists other mods into his vision. That's just not cool.
 
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Abdiel

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Snipped this down. This right here is the core reason I enjoy Gregtech and the Mindcrack Pack. I like the way the tiers of tech are set up and the idea that I can't just get lucky and BAM epic tools. But that is just how I enjoy playing. What boggles my mind is the amount of Hate at Gregtech when it is an optional add on if your rolling your own mod pak. And even when its part of your premade pak it is totaly configurable and has a fairly easy to read config file and 5 minutes in google will turn up hand holding step by steps how to if you need that. It literally is a totally optional thing.
This is the internet. 95% of people can't tell the difference between their personal opinion and an objective fact.

I just hope the whining doesn't escalate to the point where it starts affecting the decisions of important people with a bit of common sense (FTB authors, Guude, or even Greg himself).
 

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In the time that you guys spent gnashing your teeth about a mod that you installed yourself with a launcher that makes uninstalling it trivially easy, I went and made an "easy mode" version of gregtech using its unprecedentedlypowerful and user-friendly config file. Typing this post has already taken more time than the editing did, that's how it easy it was. Copy/Paste over the contents of your gregtech/recipes.cfg

Alternatively: Stop using a mod you don't like

# Configuration file
# Generated on 1/9/13 6:07 AM

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# centrifugeelectrolyze
####################

centrifugeelectrolyze {
B:Blazepowder=true
B:Clay=true
B:Dirt=true
B:Endstone=true
B:Flint=true
B:Food=true
B:Glowstone=true
B:Lapis=true
B:Lava=true
B:Mushrooms=true
B:Netherrack=true
B:Redstone=true
B:Resin=true
B:Rubberwood=true
B:Sand=true
B:Soulsand=true
B:Sugar=true
B:Uranium=true
}


####################
# cheaperrecipes
####################

cheaperrecipes {
B:Aluminium2MixedMetal=true
B:RefinedIronPiston=true
B:Ruby2Energycrystal=true
B:Sapphire2Lapotron=true
B:SilverAdvCircuit=true
B:SilverCircuit=true
B:Slime2Rubber=true
B:Steel2MixedMetalIngots=true
B:SteelPiston=true
B:TinPincher=true
B:Titanium2MixedMetal=true
}


####################
# circuitry
####################

circuitry {
B:BCChipsets=true
B:BCGates=true
B:CircuitBoards=true
B:ElectronTubes=true
B:ForestryCasings=true
B:RCCircuits=true
B:TEMachines=true
}


####################
# ic2recipes
####################

ic2recipes {
B:Massfabricator=true
B:QSuithelmet=true
B:QSuitpants=true
B:QSuitplate=true
B:QSuitshoes=true
}


####################
# silktouchrecipes
####################

silktouchrecipes {
B:ApatiteOreMaceration=true
B:CinnabarOreMaceration=true
B:CoalOreMaceration=true
B:DiamondOreMaceration=true
B:GemOreMaceration=true
B:IridiumOreMaceration=true
B:LapisOreMaceration=true
B:pyriteOreMaceration=true
B:RedstoneOreMaceration=true
B:SaltpeterOreMaceration=true
B:SphaleriteOreMaceration=true
B:SulphurOreMaceration=true
B:UraniumOreMaceration=true
}


####################
# storageblockcompression
####################

storageblockcompression {
B:Aluminium=true
B:Brass=true
B:Bronze=true
B:Chrome=true
B:Copper=true
B:Diamond=true
B:Emerald=true
B:Glowstone=true
B:Gold=true
B:Iron=true
B:Lapis=true
B:Ruby=true
B:Sapphire=true
B:Silver=true
B:Steel=true
B:Tin=true
B:Titanium=true
B:Uranium=true
}


####################
# storageblockcrafting
####################

storageblockcrafting {
B:Aluminium=true
B:Brass=true
B:Bronze=true
B:Chrome=true
B:Copper=true
B:Diamond=true
B:Emerald=true
B:Glowstone=true
B:Gold=true
B:Iron=true
B:Lapis=true
B:Ruby=true
B:Sapphire=true
B:Silver=true
B:Steel=true
B:Tin=true
B:Titanium=true
B:Uranium=true
}


####################
# storageblockmaceration
####################

storageblockmaceration {
B:Aluminium=true
B:Brass=true
B:Bronze=true
B:Chrome=true
B:Copper=true
B:Diamond=true
B:Emerald=true
B:Gold=true
B:Iron=true
B:Lapis=true
B:Ruby=true
B:Sapphire=true
B:Silver=true
B:Steel=true
B:Tin=true
B:Titanium=true
B:Uranium=true
}


####################
# storageblockreversecrafting
####################

storageblockreversecrafting {
B:Aluminium=true
B:Brass=true
B:Bronze=true
B:Chrome=true
B:Copper=true
B:Diamond=true
B:Emerald=true
B:Gold=true
B:Iron=true
B:Lapis=true
B:Ruby=true
B:Sapphire=true
B:Silver=true
B:Steel=true
B:Tin=true
B:Titanium=true
B:Uranium=true
}


####################
# storageblocksmelting
####################

storageblocksmelting {
B:Aluminium=true
B:Brass=true
B:Bronze=true
B:Chrome=true
B:Copper=true
B:Gold=true
B:Iron=true
B:Silver=true
B:Steel=true
B:Tin=true
B:Titanium=true
}


####################
# usefullrecipes
####################

usefullrecipes {
B:BeryliumReflector=true
B:Compress2Storageblock=true
B:DifficultIridiumPlate=true
B:ElectricSteelTools=true
B:ExpensiveBCQuarryRecipe=true
B:ExpensiveLaser=true
B:ExpensiveMaceratorRecipe=true
B:ExpensiveNanoSaber=true
B:ExpensiveNukeRecipe=true
B:ExpensiveSolarRecipe=true
B:ExpensiveWatermillRecipe=true
B:ExpensiveWindRecipe=true
B:MMIngotOnlyRollingMachine=true
B:Storageblock2Macerator=true
I:TincellsPer4Tin=8
B:TitaniumDiamondDrill=true
B:ToolAndArmorMaceration=true
B:WatermillReverseCrafting=true
}


####################
# uumrecipes
####################

uumrecipes {
B:UUM2Aluminium=true
B:UUM2Bauxite=true
B:UUM2Blazerods=true
B:UUM2Bone=true
B:UUM2Cactus=true
B:UUM2ChiseledStone=true
B:UUM2Clay=true
B:UUM2Coal=true
B:UUM2Cocoa=true
B:UUM2Copper=true
B:UUM2Diamonds=true
B:UUM2Enderpearl=true
B:UUM2Feathers=true
B:UUM2Flint=true
B:UUM2Gems=true
B:UUM2Glass=true
B:UUM2Glowstone=true
B:UUM2Gold=true
B:UUM2Grass=true
B:UUM2Gunpowder=true
B:UUM2Ink=true
B:UUM2Iridium=true
B:UUM2Iron=true
B:UUM2Lapis=true
B:UUM2Lava=true
B:UUM2Moss=true
B:UUM2Mycelium=true
B:UUM2Netherrack=true
B:UUM2Obsidian=true
B:UUM2Plutonium=true
B:UUM2Redstone=true
B:UUM2Resin=true
B:UUM2Rock=true
B:UUM2Sandstone=true
B:UUM2Silver=true
B:UUM2Snowballs=true
B:UUM2Snowblock=true
B:UUM2Sugarcane=true
B:UUM2Tin=true
B:UUM2Titanium=true
B:UUM2Vines=true
B:UUM2Water=true
B:UUM2Wood=true
B:UUM2Wool=true
}
 
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Saice

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Saice: I dislike it on principle. Greg has his vision, and that's awesome. We all have visions. But instead of making his own mod to fit his vision, he twists other mods into his vision. That's just not cool.

that is your right but is still 100% optional what ever way you slice it. You can simply opt to not use it.