Again, your doing something strangely if you have in fact made this mutation, look at the tab labeled Austere on this link to the wiki here, and you'll see that it says they can't be bred unless in the nether or with alveary heaters: http://ftbwiki.org/Bee_Species Also, the point to the mutator is obvious, I have enough nether stars to easily breed any species with a 100% chance whenever I want, if I so choose.
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You are wrong and wikis aren't reliable source of information. There was no problem with mutating austere bees on desert in 1.2.5 and there is no problem in 1.4.7 version of Forestry without alveary. I tested if FTB has Forestry version with some obscure bug, but both Frugal and Austere can be easily breed in Savanna (probably other biomes will also work if tolerance is good) in apiaries.
If the wiki says that, the wiki is wrong. This is not under question.
Note that the actual FTB official wiki does not make that claim. http://wiki.feed-the-beast.com/index.php?title=Austere_Bee
If heaters allow the breeding of a bee, then I'll repeat myself: It's not a biome restriction. Bees truly restricted to being mutated in the Nether, like Sinister or Fiendish, will not breed elsewhere under any circumstance.
The purpose is obvious, the need is not. There is no breed you cannot get mutated in a couple generations with 3 soul frames or less.
Okay, this is irritating me. Links ahead, and quite a few of 'em, just be advised.
That said, bees are a pain in the ass.
Austere bees are mutated from a Modest and Frugal bee (8% base chance). Modest bees are hive bees, and as such, do not require mutation to attain. Frugal bees must be bred from a Modest bee and either a Fiendish (10% base chance) or Sinister (16% base chance) bee. Fiendish and Sinister bees are part of the Infernal line which, if you bother to read the articles on that bee breed line, must all be bred in hell. Notes section, at the bottom of each page. Unless the wiki I linked to is wrong, which for Ultimate (1.0.1 for MC 1.4.7), in my experience its in fact quite accurate.
That said, bees are a pain in the ass.
The website you are referring to is the new wiki, and is not completed. Seeing as the unofficial wiki has been around for longer and many more people have gone through and seen the information and had the chance to correct it, I would guess that both are at least equally valid. Also, I understand it is not a biome restriction, and I never said it was. It is a temperature restriction, and the only way to achieve the necessary temperatures are to go to the nether or use alveary heaters. The thing I don't understand is how you can be so naive as to deny all the obvious evidence from in-game information in multiple places, and the wiki page.
There is no "old" FTB wiki. There is a wiki that claims to be associated with FTB but is not.
Fine. You're wrong, comfortable being wrong, and perfectly within your rights to forcibly remain wrong even when it's so easy to test and find out. Just stop spouting your wrongness to others. You'll corrupt the children.
There is no temperature restriction to cause the mutation. In fact, there is no such restriction in any bee at all in the entire game. What, in your stubbornly wrong way is pretending to be a restriction on the mutation is just simple limitations on where a specific princess can operate. As the native temperature for both the source breeds of the Austere bee are hot/arid native, you can always mutate the Austere in a desert or similar biome.
By new wiki, I did not mean there was an old one, I just meant that wiki is newer than the unofficial one. Maybe I should have specified. I am most definitely not wrong, as I have gone through the breeding and had to breed in the nether. I have found multiple sources all stating that the bee must be bred in the nether or have an alveary heater. You on the other hand have only incessantly stated that you are right and I am wrong with no proof whatsoever. Also, by temperature requirement I meant the temperature needed for the bee to work, obviously without which the bee wouldn't die. Again, i probably should have specified more.[DOUBLEPOST=1365893447][/DOUBLEPOST]
I have not said that the bees can only be bred in the Nether because they were made that way, I am simply saying that the only way to obtain the necessary temperature is to go to the nether or use an alveary heater.
I tested it in my main world in normal/normal environment and none of the 10 offsprings of modest/frugal combination with 3 soul frames were mutated, so it seems that there are some temperature/humidity requirements, but you can certainly get frugal and austere bees in hot/arid overworld biomes and nether. Apiarist database show 0 % in desert, but you can certainly get those bees there.
Edit: So you are both wrong
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Edit: So you are both wrong
.I did in a Mystcraft age with a Desert. Maybe it was because I used a Nether star.
Correction: The biome restriction is the hell biome, otherwise known as the Nether. If you can attach enough heaters to increase the temperature to Hellish, then you can breed the Nether Bees. It is not a dimensional restriction.
All right, I'm done arguing about this. I mean no disrespect to you DoctorOr, but I think that it is obvious for both of us that we're not going to reach a verdict. I know that I won't give in until I see some definitive evidence or until Sengir tells me I'm wrong, and I'm sure you feel the same. Either way, I think we both agree that Austere bees are good ways of producing gunpowder with the right setup. I'm probably not going to respond to this thread anymore because, frankly, we aren't really doing anything other than getting on each others nerves. Thanks for the argument though, I always enjoy a good debate!
No. I have no idea why you are in a savannah biome with such a high temperature, it makes no sense. Also, I'm not sure what pack your playing on and if it makes a difference, but I've been basing everything off the most recent version of Mindcrack.
Savannah biome has exact the same temperature and humidity as desert biome. I play just an instance in MultiMC with a collection of mods similar to FTB packs (they don't update as often as I want). If you want to test it, just make 10 apiaries in desert, put 3 soul frames, one modest princess and one frugal drone in each and see for yourself (it would take less time then arguing about it).
Edit: Imprinter is your friend for creative bee testing.
Decompiled Forestry code from whatever version is in Mindcrack 8.2 (forestry/plugins/PluginForestryApiculture.class):
Code:
BeeTemplates.demonicA = new Mutation(Allele.speciesSinister, Allele.speciesFiendish, BeeTemplates.getDemonicTemplate(), 25).restrictBiome(yy.j.N);
BeeTemplates.frugalA = new Mutation(Allele.speciesModest, Allele.speciesSinister, BeeTemplates.getFrugalTemplate(), 16).setTemperatureRainfall(1.9F, 2.0F, 0.0F, 0.1F);
BeeTemplates.frugalB = new Mutation(Allele.speciesModest, Allele.speciesFiendish, BeeTemplates.getFrugalTemplate(), 10).setTemperatureRainfall(1.9F, 2.0F, 0.0F, 0.1F);
BeeTemplates.austereA = new Mutation(Allele.speciesModest, Allele.speciesFrugal, BeeTemplates.getAustereTemplate(), 8).setTemperatureRainfall(1.9F, 2.0F, 0.0F, 0.1F);Wait, I remember now. Heaters don't increase to Hellish. Theoretically, you could if Alvearies were really really big, but they are not. And there is no config option.
EDIT: Also, what happened to Poppycocks' thread?