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Jess887cp

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So, you've probably clicked on this thread thinking that it will be yet another GT thread to gripe in. Honestly, it probably will become something like that, but for now I'm just going to try and lay down some facts. For those of you who see a wall of text and thing "tl;dr," would you rather read through the twenty to forty pages in other gregtech threads? I should hope not.

Now, let's lay down a sequence of events that has gone down most recently, or what they seem to be, according to my understanding.

-Greg nerfed logs to planks, requiring a saw to receive the full 4 planks. (As well as other vanilla recipes)
-mDiyo added a "new" recipe that reverts this change.
-Greg adds some code that crashes the game when TiC is installed. Pretty much malware.
-Everybody's tits got in a bunch.
-Talks were had, I'll edit this when I talk to someone who wants to sift through all the damn pages in the IC2 forum.
-Greg removed the trigger to the crash, but left the code in.
-Peoples tit's are still in a bunch.

Now Greg is a feature-oriented guy, I can see that. He appeals to those who like nerfs, and those who like configs. he is also commonly seen as an asshole, although I personally don't agree with that. I also don't agree with many of things he has done, but seeing as I know next to nothing about the guy, I can't really say much.

Less recently, he's also done the following;

-Spammed the chat upon launch of a modpack containing TiC, warning of a cross-mod exploit
-Nerfed the recipes of many mods by default
-Made machines explode violently.

Now, you see mostly points against the person, which is kind of unfair, as his mod is really top, if you like complexity and like IC2.

One of the arguments I've seen bandied about, is "If you don't like GT, you don't have to play with it," which is the perfect argument for SSP, but not SMP, where having everyone alter their modpacks is often too much of a pain for everyone to handle. If config propogation is added, similar to how server-texturepacks have been, then perhaps this will no longer be an issue.

Now, as a final word from myself, I hate GT threads, and I'll likely be deleting this one before too long. I am personally of the belief that if you don't like something, just do your best to ignore it and hope it dies. That's why I don't post in most RP//GT threads. Unfortunately, 3 of the threads on the front page are GT-related, so I'm just trying to make a thread to end all threads, although I'm sure that my efforts will come to naught.

Anyway, sorry for the useless thread, have a nice day. Discuss whatever you'd like about GT in here, but don't expect me to comment.[DOUBLEPOST=1374134210][/DOUBLEPOST]*prepares for flak, also space reserved :p*
 

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I did sift through all the pages. Still reading, will edit when I'm finished.

Edit: "Spammed the chat upon launch of a modpack containing TiC, warning of a cross-mod exploit" What do you mean by this?

Edit 2: My main issue with this recent fiasco is that he refuses to remove his malicious code. I don't know about you, but I don't want malware on my computer ;) He claims that as long as mDiyo doesn't have his code in his mod, the game will not crash. The problem with this is if more things are working, the game will run slower. I am probably not going to use up to date GT for a while as I do not want to support a mod author who is a douchebag. Now, let's not get too far into name calling. I also hate GT and RP2 threads. But you know what I hate more? Modders that are so disrespectful to the community, and cannot take a single post of criticism. The Tekkit + Forestry shenanigan was understandable, as SirSengir did not give permission, or want his mod in the Tekkit, Technic, or any other modpacks made by that gang. Yes, mDiyo did the same thing Tekkit did, is that excusable? No. Though, since he did it to Gregs mod, which tampers with many many many other mods, and Vanilla without permission, in almost every way feasible, it's a little more justified. Greg is an asshat, and I wish he wasn't because his mod WAS good. Now it's shit.

/endrant
 

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But what does he mean by "Spammed the chat"?

When you launch the game it will give you a message in your chat log about the exploit and tell you to either disable the auto-smelt/fortune interaction in the Tinkers Construct config or disable the smelting storage blocks option from Gregtech's, even if you've already done one of the two.
 

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But what does he mean by "Spammed the chat"?


At startup it spammed a long whiny message about a cross mod exploid 'caused by' TiC and that you should bug the mod author of TiC about it.

So basically he's annoying his users and then pointing them towards another mod author. Really classy.
 
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At startup it spammed a long whiny message about a cross mod exploid 'caused by' TiC and that you should bug the mod author of TiC about it.

So basically he's annoying his users and then pointing them towards another mod author. Really classy.

Oh, you mean the it's not my fault shit?
"[INFO] [STDERR] The GregTech-Addon has a Problem.
[INFO] [STDERR] IT'S NOT MY FAULT!!! Below is how to fix it.
[INFO] [STDERR] Another Mod (very likely Tinkers Contruct) decided to ACTIVELY break a fully configurable Feature of GregTech. Please report this to said Mod Author (very likely mDiyo) and not to me, as I can't do anything against that misbehavior. If the detection of breaking my Features, results in incompatibility between said Mod and GregTech, then I don't care.
[INFO] [STDERR] DO NOT COME TO ME WITH THIS CRASH. YOU CAUSED IT YOURSELF, AND I TOLD YOU HOW TO FIX IT!!!
[SEVERE] [Minecraft-Server] Encountered an unexpected exception GT_ItsNotMyFaultException"
 

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What a tit. It's one thing to make a game crash. It's another thing to say "It's not my fault", blame another author, and then barely address it.


Anyone who's not a little whiny spiteful bitch would just solve the issue together with whoever 'caused' it. But not Greg.
 
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Anyone who's not a little whiny spiteful bitch would just solve the issue together with whoever 'caused' it. But not Greg.

Seriously. He couldn't have just PM'd mDiyo? "Hey, so I saw you made a code that changes a part of Minecraft that ruins part of my mod? Could you change that please, I don't want to go public about this." What a dick.
 
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Well I'm going to use a word, I don't use much.

I feel like it's retardation. Legitimately. If everyone is going to come together and create a modpack, why can't they work together? If there are cross mod exploits, why are devs doing things on their own instead of finding a conglomerate solution.

Yes, it's more work. Creating a modpack as huge as FTB is a lot of work, but look at the results when lines are drawn and borders placed. Retardation, legitimately.
 

SatanicSanta

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Well I'm going to use a word, I don't use much.

I feel like it's retardation. Legitimately. If everyone is going to come together and create a modpack, why can't they work together? If there are cross mod exploits, why are devs doing things on their own instead of finding a conglomerate solution.

Yes, it's more work. Creating a modpack as huge as FTB is a lot of work, but look at the results when lines are drawn and borders placed. Retardation, legitimately.

I feel like there could be a suggest config thread, where everyone can post their personal favorite configs, and there can be a community vote of some sort.
 

namiasdf

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Well if the mod and mod dev community are going to put the time and effort into creating a conglomerate modpack, they might as well work as a conglomerate instead of creating this random fiascos.

Maybe it's a ploy to give attention to FTB. I dunno. I'm happy with 1.4.7, minus fuzzy buses. Fucking bees man.
 

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When you launch the game it will give you a message in your chat log about the exploit and tell you to either disable the auto-smelt/fortune interaction in the Tinkers Construct config or disable the smelting storage blocks option from Gregtech's, even if you've already done one of the two.
Which actually just informs everyone on the server to google the glitch and exploit the crap out of it before it goes away.

I'll drop my opinions and thoughts about GT here too.
1. I don't like the direction GregTech is heading in. It's gone from "higher tier stuff" to "attempt to tie some mods together" to "work or stfu, and here's more work for you".
2. People that like GregTech tend to know exactly how to add GregTech. People that dislike GregTech tend to have absolutely no idea how to remove it. It's that sort of thing that causes the casual minecraft players to revert back to tekkit, vanilla, etc and is the main reason I post disapproving GregTech in hopes that it will be removed from the "Ultimate" series of FTB packs.
3. The drama surrounding GregTech just blows my mind. The decision to fight for 3 copper 1 tin 2 bronze despite it representing an enormous waste of mass just doesn't make sense and I wonder why he didn't just buff IC2's Bronze to match something as simple as preservation of mass. Blowing the TiC things way more out of control than it should have been. Also, those "configurable" recipes being 1 dirt -> 1 UU-matter and etc. Who knows what will happen in the future?
 

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3. The drama surrounding GregTech just blows my mind. The decision to fight for 3 copper 1 tin 2 bronze despite it representing an enormous waste of mass just doesn't make sense and I wonder why he didn't just buff IC2's Bronze to match something as simple as preservation of mass. Blowing the TiC Fortune Smelt way more out of control than it should have been. Who knows what will happen in the future?

It's actually 3 copper, 1 tin = 1 bronze now.[DOUBLEPOST=1374136692][/DOUBLEPOST]I find it kind of funny that I'm seeing New Members go up to Member, or even Active or Well Known, just because of this GregTech catastrophe.
 

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It's that sort of thing that causes the casual minecraft players to revert back to tekkit, vanilla, etc and is the main reason I post disapproving GregTech in hopes that it will be removed from the "Ultimate" series of FTB packs.

Good news, given the likelihood that Greg will stop acting like an attention starved child this will probably come to pass since Wyld has basically given Greg the ultimatum "Stop being an ass or you're out of FTB."
 
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One of the arguments I've seen bandied about, is "If you don't like GT, you don't have to play with it," which is the perfect argument for SSP, but not SMP, where having everyone alter their modpacks is often too much of a pain for everyone to handle.

THIS is exactly why I hate it when people argue "Just uninstall GregTech!" when people complain about Greg's changes. We're mostly stuck with whatever the default for the modpack is, and if FTB includes full-on GregTech, we'll either have to stick to servers where half the prospective players get scared off by the spooooky idea of having to tinker with their modpack, or find a different modpack to play with entirely.

*prepares for flak, also space reserved :p*

* fires the flak cannon *
 

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I feel GTB has one solion to all his problems. Configs. And no, I'm not saying he hasn't. You see, I think that when a mod adds something, there should be a config to turn it off. Greg adds millions of things. In 14.7, he had configs for everything. In 1.5, he doesn't. I think that if he adds configs for everything he adds, and someone, like velotican, post a "config pack" for easy gregtech, there won't be any problem in gregtech. Period. Also, I think all the mods should do this. this way, modpacks like RR, AM, SA, can ballence their gameplay the most.
 

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So, you've probably clicked on this thread thinking that it will be yet another GT thread to gripe in. Honestly, it probably will become something like that, but for now I'm just going to try and lay down some facts.

Comes to clarify what happened -> gets it all wrong *facepalm*
 
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