[GAME THREAD] TarkirWolf

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Strikingwolf

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lots of pages of convo, god damn.

Pyure let's just say that I voted you for a very good reason, but this has nothing to do with me suspecting you. Yes, this sounds wolfy, but it isn't, there was legitimate use in lynching you
 

lenscas

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lots of pages of convo, god damn.

Pyure let's just say that I voted you for a very good reason, but this has nothing to do with me suspecting you. Yes, this sounds wolfy, but it isn't, there was legitimate use in lynching you
and the use is/was? Because I don't see one
 

Strikingwolf

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and the use is/was? Because I don't see one
Unfortunately revealing that information will put me at risk. Yes it seems that I am making a hollow claim, but there is a reason for it

From the info that Pyure has thus far he may be able to deduce my innocence however
Well a wolf could say that. Nice try.
yes he could, he very well could

anyway antismite lenscas I believe no votes for you?
 

Muse Clio

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They have the trust of other people and roleclaims to gain from you... so... a lot actually. Everyone's getting confused again. This happens all the time. I try to explain something, me and Pyure know what's up. It's in Pyure's interests to not let people understand me, Pyure screws with everyone, everyone believes Pyure because they know he's clever. Fml.
I'm just trying to gather info dude. I admit I'm sowing a tiny bit of chaos, but you'd be alarmed at the number of roles I know already :p
 
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Someone Else 37

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Public Service Announcement:

In Magic, when a card is manifested, it is placed face-down on the table and is a 2/2 creature (which is reasonably small, but bigger than a 1/1) with no name, color, creature type, abilities, or mana cost. If a creature card is manifested in this way, it can be turned face-up for its normal mana cost at any time, even in the middle of combat. However, while it's face-down, there is absolutely no way to tell what the card might actually be- it could be a powerful creature like Atarka, World Render; a wimpy creature like Zurgo Bellstriker, or any kind of land or spell that could never be flipped up anyway without some help from some other kind of spell. It provides some mystery, and an incentive to deal with the unknown, as it could turn into something like Atarka and blow up in your face. Or, it might not... you don't know.

The flavor behind this is that the manifestation is magically disguised as a blueish swirly thing that looks exactly like all the other blueish swirly things out there, so you can't tell what it actually is. Ugin actually taught the humanoids of Tarkir how to use this form of magic so the dragons running amok on the plane wouldn't eat them all and throw the entire ecosystem out of whack.

Anyhow, I tried to capture this mechanic as accurately as I could in this game. Since this form of magic originally cones from Ugin, it makes sense that Ugin should be the one to wield it. Since all manifested creatures are absolutely industinguishable (unless you have a Lens of Clarity), the closest I could come to not knowing what is under the swirly veil is not knowing who is actually there. I figure that the manifested people could run around and switch places with each other all the time in order to preserve their anonymity even if they go around all day claiming they're Pyure. The cleanest way I could think of to implement this was to make all abilities directed at manifested players be redirected to a random manifestation, with equal probability. ("I don't know who's inside this swirl, but I'm going to find out!" *stab*) However, when I was buffing Ugin and Bolas in one of the last revisions to the rolesheet to give them a little more durability, I decided it might be better to make abilities directed at manifestations always miss and hit somebody else. So, if Pyure is indeed a manifested Dragon, and Yasova said to me "I'mma try and snag Pyure tonight", Pyure would not be snagged. Whoever the other current manifestation is might, if they're a Dragon as well.

However, this does not answer the question of what happens when an alt is targeted. After a careful reading of the rules in their current state... I got nothing. This is the sort of thing that would've been best to answer before the game started, since "whatever I think feels right" will most likely be pro-village, because, deep down inside, I do kind of want the village to win, and I now know what sort of rule would most help do that in the current situation. So, in an attempt to remain as fair and unbiased as possible, all I can do is either look back through older versions of the rules and see what I thought back then, or take another look at the flavor and see what would fit that the best.

All these avenues actually seem to lead me down the same path:
  • Before buffing Ugin, the actual manifestation hit by an attack was totally randomized.
    • Also, at some point in the past, I vaguely remember writing or at least thinking the sentence "Any attacks directed at alts just get randomized"
  • Having an ability not have any chance of hitting the actual target doesn't really match the flavor. If anything, it should not be redirected at all.
  • Also, I could mix up the alts at any time if I wanted to, which would throw "Convert Muse Erato" off entirely.
  • If Pyure gets converted tonight, it could seriously hurt the village.
As such, this is my official ruling in this matter: Any abilities directed at al alt will be redirected to a random manifestation, which may or may not be the player controlled by the original target.
 

lenscas

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Public Service Announcement:

Any abilities directed at al alt will be redirected to a random manifestation, which may or may not be the player controlled by the original target.

so just to be clear,if playerA has altA and playerb has altB
targeting altA has the same change to be redirected at playerA and playerB?
 

SoraZodia

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Pizzawolf looks the most fishy to me right now, due to his bandwagon call on Pyure.

Vote Pizzawolf
 

Muse Clio

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  • If Pyure gets converted tonight, it could seriously hurt the village.
Notwithstanding that, as I interpret the rules, Pyure could have been theoretically converted already last night. Afaik there's no particular reason I couldn't have been converted by the wolves AND manifested by Ugin on the same night.

:p
 

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Another PSA, this one much shorter:

Manifestation doesn't "time out" ever. Once Ugin cloaks you, you're cloaked until you want to decloak.

so just to be clear,if playerA has altA and playerb has altB
targeting altA has the same change to be redirected at playerA and playerB?
Yes. Targeting playerB, though, will be certain to hit playerA, unless there's more than two players manifested. Which there could easily be tomorrow.
 

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Recap!

Nobody could find any yetis or elk or anything of that nature that might satisfy the eternal hunger of Atarka, so they decided to sacrifice Pizzawolf. He was, to everyone's surprise, another dragon of Atarka's own brood. Oops.

Later that night, a large sabertooth snuck into one of the tents. It didn't get very far, though- as soon as it pounced, a large, heavily armored Dragon of Dromoka's brood that was somehow also hiding in the tent reared up and blasted the feline away in a brilliant flash of light. He then proceeded to track down the sabertooth's owner and blast her to smithereens as well- but not before being mortally wounded by the red-hot claw on her staff. Those who investigated the incident afterward identified the dragon and the woman as SpwnX and Lethosos, respectively.

  • Pizzawolf was lynched. He was a Savage Ventmaw loyal to Ugin (i.e. not converted).
  • SpwnX intercepted the wolfkill. He was a Wardscale Dragon loyal to Ugin.
  • Lethosos was killed by SpwnX. He was Yasova Dragonclaw, loyal to Bolas.
  • lenscas, trajing, Pyure, LivingAngryCheese, and RJS have used up their grace smites. Except whoever is controlling Muse Clio, that is- your vote was counted. I'm just listing you here for obfuscation.
 

LivingAngryCheese

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Recap!

Nobody could find any yetis or elk or anything of that nature that might satisfy the eternal hunger of Atarka, so they decided to sacrifice Pizzawolf. He was, to everyone's surprise, another dragon of Atarka's own brood. Oops.

Later that night, a large sabertooth snuck into one of the tents. It didn't get very far, though- as soon as it pounced, a large, heavily armored Dragon of Dromoka's brood that was somehow also hiding in the tent reared up and blasted the feline away in a brilliant flash of light. He then proceeded to track down the sabertooth's owner and blast her to smithereens as well- but not before being mortally wounded by the red-hot claw on her staff. Those who investigated the incident afterward identified the dragon and the woman as SpwnX and Lethosos, respectively.

  • Pizzawolf was lynched. He was a Savage Ventmaw loyal to Ugin (i.e. not converted).
  • SpwnX intercepted the wolfkill. He was a Wardscale Dragon loyal to Ugin.
  • Lethosos was killed by SpwnX. He was Yasova Dragonclaw, loyal to Bolas.
  • lenscas, trajing, Pyure, LivingAngryCheese, and RJS have used up their grace smites. Except whoever is controlling Muse Clio, that is- your vote was counted. I'm just listing you here for obfuscation.
I voted pizza you scrub.