FTB Bee Question
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Don't you mean an FTBee question? *chuckles to self*... No? Okay... Do you have the beealayzer? If so, scan some princesses that you bred with the majestic/noble drones to see if they have a dormant trait, if they do breed them with your drones, if this ends up with you losing your drones AND princesses... Start again *bad poker face*.
Same thing, breed the princesses with a dormant trait of themselves
Sorta. The dominate trait has to end up as your desired trait, but if one understands Mendel genetics, it's all punnet squares from there.
Well, the initial way to get a drone or princess of that mutation, you need to combine common/cultivated and hope you get a noble instead of unweary(?). If you get a noble drone from that mutation, but a princess of what you don't want, try breeding that princess with the noble drone. You might have a chance of producing another drone, princess, or a drone & princess combo.
Bees are all about probability, so the more breeding pairs you have, the more likely you will get a breeding pair going. Even if you happen to breed 10 pairs, get 10 noble drones, but 10 princesses of what you don't want, you have an additional 10 chances to breed a noble drone with a princess, in hopes of converting it.
Mutations are a crap shoot, even with mutation frames. Prize any mutated bee you get and use them to try and get a working pair going. Thus, my advice to have multiple breeding pairs going would be the best way to ensure your success.
Bees are all about probability, so the more breeding pairs you have, the more likely you will get a breeding pair going. Even if you happen to breed 10 pairs, get 10 noble drones, but 10 princesses of what you don't want, you have an additional 10 chances to breed a noble drone with a princess, in hopes of converting it.
Mutations are a crap shoot, even with mutation frames. Prize any mutated bee you get and use them to try and get a working pair going. Thus, my advice to have multiple breeding pairs going would be the best way to ensure your success.
Why because look at the time stamps this started about 4 hours ago, and im stupid as fuck and dont know much, just been putting bees in shit , i have one industious and don't know how i even got it.
Hmmm. Just as a quick start, notwithstanding traits. Things like "shortest life" and "fastest worker" go a long way in helping you breed more drones for breeding/DNA and producing more comb per cycle (thus more product).
When you put a drone and princess pair into the apiary/alveary, there are two realms of possibility.
1. If they are a non-mutating pair (i.e. there are no possible mutations from that pair breeding) then you have a chance of producing a princess of either type, along with however many drones they produce as effected by their fertility which can range from x1 - x4 (I think).
2. If they are a mutating pair, you have the chance of (1) occuring, or that one of the offspring, whether it be princess or drone, to be born as a mutation. For example, breeding a meadows bee and a forest bee together has a chance of mutating into a common bee. This is how you progress.
But given (1), it is possible, once you have the mutated species (and producing pure bred offspring), to skip (2). Simply by breeding any non-mutating bee with your already acquired species (through PREVIOUS mutation), you can try and straight convert that bee into the one you want.
It is subtle, but that is the progression in bees. Low chances of mutation, thus difficulty in acquiring a breeding pair, is what holds you back, and what most of your strategy should be formed around. Once you have achieved a mutation and stabilized that pair (producing pure bred), then you can simply go for path (1) in creating more instance of that species you like. This leads into higher tier mutations that require previous mutations, going back to having multiple breeding pairs, as to achieve a higher probability of success.
When you put a drone and princess pair into the apiary/alveary, there are two realms of possibility.
1. If they are a non-mutating pair (i.e. there are no possible mutations from that pair breeding) then you have a chance of producing a princess of either type, along with however many drones they produce as effected by their fertility which can range from x1 - x4 (I think).
2. If they are a mutating pair, you have the chance of (1) occuring, or that one of the offspring, whether it be princess or drone, to be born as a mutation. For example, breeding a meadows bee and a forest bee together has a chance of mutating into a common bee. This is how you progress.
But given (1), it is possible, once you have the mutated species (and producing pure bred offspring), to skip (2). Simply by breeding any non-mutating bee with your already acquired species (through PREVIOUS mutation), you can try and straight convert that bee into the one you want.
It is subtle, but that is the progression in bees. Low chances of mutation, thus difficulty in acquiring a breeding pair, is what holds you back, and what most of your strategy should be formed around. Once you have achieved a mutation and stabilized that pair (producing pure bred), then you can simply go for path (1) in creating more instance of that species you like. This leads into higher tier mutations that require previous mutations, going back to having multiple breeding pairs, as to achieve a higher probability of success.
Four hours? What, you in a rush or something? We all browse at our leisure here. Your time is no more valuable then ours. Less, technically, as we all value our own time more then we value the next guys time, right?
You're doing fine so far. Might benefit from some videos, but really, a beealyzer would do you nicely. It's the first and last tool a apiarist needs, unless you could armor as a tool.
Just form some Punnet Squares and read up a bit on Mendel Genetics, and craft and use that beealyzer religiously. Leave no bee with unknown traits.
Then, you'll have anything you want without using mods like Gendustry to cheat the system.
Just an industrious anything. Ideally you want a pure-bred, but where in the hell are you going to get that from?
If you end up with an industrious princess, but no industrious drone, I would probably save that princess and try to mutate another industrious bee from another pair. You could always risk breeding that princess with a xxxx - industrious drone.
Though, also consider that you could breed it with a bee that doesn't mutate with it (mundane), and see if you can go for route (1), converting that drone OR princess into an industrious bee, but it could equally go the other way and you're left fucked.
So...
Yeah, all about risk management =).
If you end up with an industrious princess, but no industrious drone, I would probably save that princess and try to mutate another industrious bee from another pair. You could always risk breeding that princess with a xxxx - industrious drone.
Though, also consider that you could breed it with a bee that doesn't mutate with it (mundane), and see if you can go for route (1), converting that drone OR princess into an industrious bee, but it could equally go the other way and you're left fucked.
So...
Yeah, all about risk management =).
Another question if i get a pure bred industrious and a drone and i make a few drones the only way to get more princesses without doing the whole breeding tree over is getting the serum and injecting a bee with it correct?
Edit: Also when breeding two bees does it matter which ones princess and which ones drone?
Edit: Also when breeding two bees does it matter which ones princess and which ones drone?
Nope, go back to (1). You can breed some random mundane princess with your stack of pure bred industrious drones, over and over until that princess becomes a pure bred industrious itself. That is how you bypass mutations, once you have achieved that mutation once.
It also puts an emphasis on species stability (i.e. achieving that purebred breeding pair that replicates two of the same drone every cycle, such that they stack.)
It also puts an emphasis on species stability (i.e. achieving that purebred breeding pair that replicates two of the same drone every cycle, such that they stack.)
So i got a industrious princess and industrious drone both pure so now i should breed them till i have like 64 drones or something and then take a mundane bee and just keep breeding it with the industrius?
Well, at this point it is always good practice to maintain a breeding pair of every bee you come across. You may run into exceptions, but in general it is good practice to keep a breeding pair that is continuously producing pure breds, should you require mutation prerequisites, or you want to convert another princes, so you can produce more of the specific product it outputs.
I don't think you will need as much pollen as you will royal jelly. This is of course, if you want to get into extrabees and do the genetic/DNA stuff. That itself is a whole new animal, which I will just refer you to youtube tutorials, since it is quite extensive.
Royal jelly is required in some of the machine recipes.
If you are aiming to amp up your alveary production, by all means produce more industrious princesses. You can always convert those later, though I would advise you just to find new princesses and convert those instead.
I don't think you will need as much pollen as you will royal jelly. This is of course, if you want to get into extrabees and do the genetic/DNA stuff. That itself is a whole new animal, which I will just refer you to youtube tutorials, since it is quite extensive.
Royal jelly is required in some of the machine recipes.
If you are aiming to amp up your alveary production, by all means produce more industrious princesses. You can always convert those later, though I would advise you just to find new princesses and convert those instead.
@namiasdf you aren't helping much. Throwing bees in at random gets you crappy bees. This is a science, friend, and science involves doing things a certain way to achieve a certain effect.
If @_Karver_ wants a alveriary, he needs to understand the mechanics behind the bees(and the breeding), otherwise he'll get stuck and be worse off then he is now.
If @_Karver_ wants a alveriary, he needs to understand the mechanics behind the bees(and the breeding), otherwise he'll get stuck and be worse off then he is now.
Well, once you get the bee converted you can begin to innoculate it. The most important part is sustaining a breeding pair, such that you have 0 chance of losing that mutation. After than, refining your bee is antics.
You are jumping too far ahead for him. He just started with bees, and it probably will just hinder his progression if you make him try and understand selective breeding right off the bat. Especially because he'll have to make frames to support the honey required to do all the beeanalyzing.
I'm doing this from a teaching perspective, my bad.[DOUBLEPOST=1398019724][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, selective breeding requires strategy and risk management. If you don't understand what I mean by this, then perhaps you are the one who is underqualified to talk about bees.
You are jumping too far ahead for him. He just started with bees, and it probably will just hinder his progression if you make him try and understand selective breeding right off the bat. Especially because he'll have to make frames to support the honey required to do all the beeanalyzing.
I'm doing this from a teaching perspective, my bad.[DOUBLEPOST=1398019724][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, selective breeding requires strategy and risk management. If you don't understand what I mean by this, then perhaps you are the one who is underqualified to talk about bees.