Easiest for AS Automation?

[Brian Cherrick]

I have a cobble generator > pulverizer set up, along with some autonomous activators and sieves to get broken ores and such. Now I got several hammers via rewards that have fortune three (even normal hammers give more). If I go the broken > gravel > sand > dust route, I get at least 2 ingots each time, sometimes more, but never less. Going without using it, it takes 2 broken ores to get 1 ingot.

I'm setting up several smelteries, but just trying to ascertain what is the best way to go about this. Is it best to combine/break it all down, or just throw it all in? And if I do break it all down, is there a way to automate the breaking of the gravel, and so on?

 

[Azzanine]

You do know once you get the extruder/ pulverizer combo your resources are only limited to the capacity of your storage. (and time I guess)
Squeezing out the most ore out of the setup tends to become wasteful and pointless with added infastructure.
Just whack the chunks in to your smeltery, it's the most time efficient way. Keep in mind automating hammers requires you to replace the hammers too.
Infinite resources tends to be as efficient as you can get, getting more efficient with those infinite resources is kind of gilding the lilly.

 

[Brian Cherrick]

You do know once you get the extruder/ pulverizer combo your resources are only limited to the capacity of your storage. (and time I guess)
Squeezing out the most ore out of the setup tends to become wasteful and pointless with added infastructure.
Just whack the chunks in to your smeltery, it's the most time efficient way. Keep in mind automating hammers requires you to replace the hammers too.
Infinite resources tends to be as efficient as you can get, getting more efficient with those infinite resources is kind of gilding the lilly.

I didn't think about it that way ... working on getting multiple smelteries going so things don't combine in there. One question I have is ... how many crucibles would I need to reliably feed say 10 magmatic dynamos and a few smelteries with lava, plus have some left over ?

 

[christhereaper]

You don't even need to use hammers at all.
Extruder->Pulverizer->Pulverizer->Pulverizer automatically crushes the cobble into dust. The first one (cobble->gravel) outputs sand as a byproduct, which you can either put into the last one (Sand -> Dust) or turn it into Soulsand.

Just FYI, i use 3 setups right now sieving Dust, Gravel and Soulsand respectively, they are all self sufficient energy wise (the soulsand one takes no energy at all, the others produce fuel for some dynamos)

I didn't think about it that way ... working on getting multiple smelteries going so things don't combine in there. One question I have is ... how many crucibles would I need to reliably feed say 10 magmatic dynamos and a few smelteries with lava, plus have some left over ?

Depends on what you use to heat the crucibles and how often the smelteries run.

For the Dynamos alone you would need between 15 and 44 Crucibles.

Just for Reference: A Magmatic Dynamo uses 0.44 mB per tick, a crucible produces at most (over an open fire) 0.3 mB per tick, at worst (over a torch) 0.1 mB per tick.

 

[Brian Cherrick]

You don't even need to use hammers at all.
Extruder->Pulverizer->Pulverizer->Pulverizer automatically crushes the cobble into dust. The first one (cobble->gravel) outputs sand as a byproduct, which you can either put into the last one (Sand -> Dust) or turn it into Soulsand.

Just FYI, i use 3 setups right now sieving Dust, Gravel and Soulsand respectively, they are all self sufficient energy wise (the soulsand one takes no energy at all, the others produce fuel for some dynamos)




Depends on what you use to heat the crucibles and how often the smelteries run.

For the Dynamos alone you would need between 15 and 44 Crucibles.

Just for Reference: A Magmatic Dynamo uses 0.44 mB per tick, a crucible produces at most (over an open fire) 0.3 mB per tick, at worst (over a torch) 0.1 mB per tick.

In regards to the soul sand, are you able to pump water into the barrels via the aqueous accumulator, if you have a farm up for that ? As for the others .. I'm assuming the fuel source you refer to is the copious amounts of coal you get ? I'm just trying to visualize this all in my head.

 

[christhereaper]

In regards to the soul sand, are you able to pump water into the barrels via the aqueous accumulator, if you have a farm up for that ? As for the others .. I'm assuming the fuel source you refer to is the copious amounts of coal you get ? I'm just trying to visualize this all in my head.

Yes, you can use aqueous accumulators and fluiducts.

As for the fuel sources:
Sieving Gravel gives Coal, which i turn into Liquifacted Coal and run it through compression dynamos (doing it like this has a net gain over coal in steam dynamos).
Sieving Dust gives you Gunpowder, Redstone, Blazepowder and Glowstone. Glowstone/Redstone into Magma Crucible and pump that fluid into Reactant Dynamos which use the Gunpowder/Blazepowder and the liquid to produce power for it all.

 

[Brian Cherrick]

Yes, you can use aqueous accumulators and fluiducts.

As for the fuel sources:
Sieving Gravel gives Coal, which i turn into Liquifacted Coal and run it through compression dynamos (doing it like this has a net gain over coal in steam dynamos).
Sieving Dust gives you Gunpowder, Redstone, Blazepowder and Glowstone. Glowstone/Redstone into Magma Crucible and pump that fluid into Reactant Dynamos which use the Gunpowder/Blazepowder and the liquid to produce power for it all.

Liquifacted coal? Never heard of that one before ... how do you liquify it exactly ? Would a backup tank be necessary for this?

 

[christhereaper]

Liquifacted coal? Never heard of that one before ... how do you liquify it exactly ? Would a backup tank be necessary for this?

put coal (you can't use charcoal) into a pulverizer to get coal dust (and some sulfur) then out the coal dust into a magma crucible.
i wouldnt put a backup tank, as the dynamos, the crucible and the pulverizer will store plenty.

 

[Iskandar]

As a note, do not use smelteries to melt your ore. You'll either need a very complicated setup or multiple smelteries to avoid accidental alloys. Use a high oven. A bit harder to setup up, but it triples the ores you get and will not make alloys. Plop a deep tank underneath and there you go.

Read this thread to help you get set up.

 

[namiasdf]

For my AA system, I have 6 pulverizers and 6 AA's dedicated to producing resources via sieving.

By using a clever itemduct system, I use three pulverizers to produce dust, two to produce sand and one to produce gravel. Each "line" has two AA to which the contents are picked up by a vacuum hopper.

You will want to automate this so you can do other things. The fortune hammer is great for producing magic shard for your TC times. You have to hammer certain blocks to get shards.[DOUBLEPOST=1399935994][/DOUBLEPOST]Everything in AS is about time. Quests requiring 1.6 million mB of liquid or 10 000 of a certain item, etc. Such that, at one point I was completing 4-5 quests at the same time.

Don't worry too much about hammering your stuff. I mean to get started, everyone starts out the same. But, eventually you will have enough energy to dump in laser drills and you will look back at sieving and laugh.

 

[Brian Cherrick]

As a note, do not use smelteries to melt your ore. You'll either need a very complicated setup or multiple smelteries to avoid accidental alloys. Use a high oven. A bit harder to setup up, but it triples the ores you get and will not make alloys. Plop a deep tank underneath and there you go.

Read this thread to help you get set up.

I got most the smeltery stuff done already done .. just wasn't sure if it was better to melt the broken stuff directly, or break it down them smelt it. Seems that the general consensus is to just melt it as it comes out of the sieve. That and for me is easier setting that up how I want it over the high oven. I only intended on using the HO for the steel quests then tearing it back down.

 

[Iskandar]

I got most the smeltery stuff done already done .. just wasn't sure if it was better to melt the broken stuff directly, or break it down them smelt it. Seems that the general consensus is to just melt it as it comes out of the sieve. That and for me is easier setting that up how I want it over the high oven. I only intended on using the HO for the steel quests then tearing it back down.

As you like. But for me, 1 High Oven+Deep Tank under it is better than 2 smelteries. Automating a High Oven is MUCH, MUCH easier than smelteries. And a 6 high, or higher, Oven won't get backed up like a smeltery can if you are throwing a ton of ore at them (no, really, 2 3 block high smelteries can handle 54 ores at once, at takes like 10 to 15 seconds or so to melt some of them. A 6 block high Highoven can take 6 stacks of 6 different ores at once, and smelts in like 5 seconds or less)


There are a few downsides. You'll need charcoal automation and they are a tad harder on raw materials setting up. And it is a little complicated to get going, but the results are so worth it.

 

[Adonis0]

I got most the smeltery stuff done already done .. just wasn't sure if it was better to melt the broken stuff directly, or break it down them smelt it. Seems that the general consensus is to just melt it as it comes out of the sieve. That and for me is easier setting that up how I want it over the high oven. I only intended on using the HO for the steel quests then tearing it back down.

It's better objectively to break then smelt

The thing is whether you think it's worth the time investment to set up the system to make it give you that little extra. Just think if you want to spend the time making a system to smash collect and repair hammers.