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casilleroatr

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OP, the MFR route can't handle forestry tree bred saplings, which is by design for balance. High efficiency saplings are leaps and bounds ahead of any other biofuel production by an order of magnitude. At peak, a single multifarm can provide over 10,000mj/t worth of biofuel through a giant boiler still and boiler array.

An apt analogy:
Forestry starts at 1 and goes to 100
MFR starts at 4 and goes to 30

I am interested in getting into tree breeding because I have never actually done anything with biofuel. However, I would like to know what to aim for. A lot of people seem to like mahoes for example nut I don't really know where I can find a good place to compare the different trees.
 

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OP, the MFR route can't handle forestry tree bred saplings, which is by design for balance. High efficiency saplings are leaps and bounds ahead of any other biofuel production by an order of magnitude. At peak, a single multifarm can provide over 10,000mj/t worth of biofuel through a giant boiler still and boiler array.

An apt analogy:
Forestry starts at 1 and goes to 100
MFR starts at 4 and goes to 30

This part of this post is a great example of exactly what sort of post we want in this community.

You all argue for two pages, yet none of you, out of your infinite ignorance, know that fermenter/stills produces more biofuel? Don't argue about things you don't know how to use.

This part of this post is a perfect example of a post that violates Be Nice, is a personal attack, causes friction and discord, and generally leads to topics being locked--in sort everything that we DON'T want in this community.
Okay, hope that cleared everything up for everybody. With this in mind, let's try to keep all our discussions civil, all right? :)
 

Hoff

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So you're saying the bio reactor nerf was a good thing, but it was for a different reason?

If you say to ignore efficiency, why would you then cite 'making the efficiency worthless' as a reason to change something? Why would we care if some other guy makes a squid power 45 boilers?

Yes it was good because making the maximum 9 item efficiency was pointless and gave little gain over having massive amounts of one item. This is an intra-mod problem as the mod itself gives a way to go around something that is meant to be used within its own mod. This is why the change was of good design. With the new change mass producing a single item will take more effort, power, and resources than making it the maximum 9 item efficiency.

It has nothing to do with you caring or not and has everything to do with the mod following the direction the author wants it to follow.
 

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I am interested in getting into tree breeding because I have never actually done anything with biofuel. However, I would like to know what to aim for. A lot of people seem to like mahoes for example nut I don't really know where I can find a good place to compare the different trees.

I haven't really found a good source of information for which saplings are the best. The escritore helps with the next breeding combinations. The version of binnies mods that I have doesn't show the default genetics for trees in the apiarist database, so it is a little hard to compare. I do know you want high sappiness for the best biomass creation.
 
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zorn

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Yes it was good because making the maximum 9 item efficiency was pointless and gave little gain over having massive amounts of one item. This is an inter-mod problem as the mod itself gives a way to go around something that is meant to be used within its own mod. This is why the change was of good design. With the new change mass producing a single item will take more effort, power, and resources than making it the maximum 9 item efficiency.

It has nothing to do with you caring or not and has everything to do with the mod following the direction the author wants it to follow.


Hmm, fair enough then, I guess I was wrong.
 

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I let myself get irked about inter-mod balance issues sometimes, too. I find that staying away from solar and nether lava helps, but also consider building bases/outposts with specific mod combos in mind.

My first serious power-gen setup was Forestry/Railcraft: multi-farm growing sugarcane > cook to sugar charcoal > several coke ovens to sugar coke > solid fuel boiler.

It was really satisfying, but not nearly as great as nuclear reactors have been. They do need a balance tweak in your IC2 config, though: Set nuke and reactor explosion values to 100 and 140, respectively. The point is the fun, and risk is fun, right?
 
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Runo

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I am interested in getting into tree breeding because I have never actually done anything with biofuel. However, I would like to know what to aim for. A lot of people seem to like mahoes for example nut I don't really know where I can find a good place to compare the different trees.

The 1.52 documentation is lacking. The best advice I can give is to breed some trees together then 'u' the saplings to find derivatives and just start churning out species an masse to start. As you do this, look for beneficial traits and set them aside. As an example, I'm breeding plum into apple oaks for higher sappiness and saplings after finishing that line of tree species. This is by no means the best combination but I'll continue to make incremental improvements to my multifarm stock as I see better traits I want.

In 1.52 forestry, there isn't a silver bullet tree, from what I have seen. You have to find the traits you want and crossbreed for serious bonuses.
 
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snooder

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You all argue for two pages, yet none of you, out of your infinite ignorance, know that fermenter/stills produces more biofuel? Don't argue about things you don't know how to use.

OP, the MFR route can't handle forestry tree bred saplings, which is by design for balance. High efficiency saplings are leaps and bounds ahead of any other biofuel production by an order of magnitude. At peak, a single multifarm can provide over 10,000mj/t worth of biofuel through a giant boiler still and boiler array.

An apt analogy:
Forestry starts at 1 and goes to 100
MFR starts at 4 and goes to 30

Lol, did it really take two whole pages for someone to point out that OP is actually simply wrong about the efficiency of fermenters/stills vs. bioreactor?

p.s. OP, if you are making renewable power through biofuel, you are already being inefficient anyway. Getting fuel from bees is just as renewable while having a smaller footprint and less power consumption. And, as far as I know, MFR hasn't introduced anything crazy in the bee keeping scene yet.

edit: Also, to understand why the bioreactor is "better" than the fermenter+still with vanilla saplings, you have to understand that the bioreactor was balanced against the OLD fermenter values. Sengir nerfed the amount of biomass you get per vanilla sapling as a way to motivate people to get into tree breeding which would eventually provide significantly more biomass for higher tier saplings. So it's not a case of MFR coming out with "the new hotness", it's that forestry changed itself to make things more difficult.
 

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Lol, did it really take two whole pages for someone to point out that OP is actually simply wrong about the efficiency of fermenters/stills vs. bioreactor?
I actually challenged him to check this but he copped out on it.
 

Hoff

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I already told you it was never an issue for me in the first place. All I care about is power consumption.
Then you should take a look at actual facts. Do you use exclusively multi-farms? They are so much more power efficient(Talk in 1000+% here) than any MFR farm. Or even more so you should use exclusively turtles for such things. Oh, oh even better; nothing but golems. Golems must be REALLY op in comparison to any tech related farming device since they take absolutely no power and are extremely easy to research and produce en masse. Do you actually devote all your time to using methods that purely use as a little energy as possible? I find it hard to believe you do since there are cheaper faster ways of producing more energy.

Not to mention its not possible for the bioreactor to require power. If you can't figure out why you're hopeless.
 
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Flipz

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Since I'm feeling merciful, I'm going to lock this before anyone gets themselves banned.
To the posters of the future: this thread is an example of how NOT to discuss things. Take note, 'kay? ;)
 
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