Deceptionwolf [GAME THREAD]

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HeilMewTwo

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Well, I hope we have another bodyguard, because I have the mother of all targets on my back right now.

I'm gonna antismite Mewtwo for now.

Antismite HeilMewTwo

Also just noticed this,

Eating contest... I wish all election was like that
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VikeStep

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tfw you haven't even spoken and people are voting for you
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But, I'm gonna have to Vote RJS. I'm not the zombie, but I have no way to prove it unless the actual zombie is lynched.
 

RJS

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tfw you haven't even spoken and people are voting for you
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But, I'm gonna have to Vote RJS. I'm not the zombie, but I have no way to prove it unless the actual zombie is lynched.

See, I was going to sit quietly in case something better came up, but nothing has as of yet.

Vike, you are the zombie.

Who is the town more likely to bring back? The detective, who gets a small subset of roles, or the seer, who gets the role their target has? Bit of a no-brainer as to who they're gonna bring back.

Vote VikeStep
 

VikeStep

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See, I was going to sit quietly in case something better came up, but nothing has as of yet.

Vike, you are the zombie.

Who is the town more likely to bring back? The detective, who gets a small subset of roles, or the seer, who gets the role their target has? Bit of a no-brainer as to who they're gonna bring back.

Vote VikeStep
Why would the necromancer resurrect me then? Your logic works against you too...
 
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RJS

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Why would the necromancer resurrect me then? You logic works against you too...
Couple of possibilities:

1. Priest goes before Necromancer, so the Necromancer figured I'd get Priested and so went for you.
2. The Necromancer isn't so concerned about the role someone has (after all, they need to somehow find a wolf or the serial killer in order for knowing someone's role to benefit their team)
3. You were chosen because you tend to do a better job at convincing people to follow your lead in ambiguous situations.

While we're playing this game then Vike, why would the Priest resurrect you over me? I appreciate you can turn points 1 and 3 around and steal them, but what about point number 2?
 

VikeStep

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Couple of possibilities:

1. Priest goes before Necromancer, so the Necromancer figured I'd get Priested and so went for you.
2. The Necromancer isn't so concerned about the role someone has (after all, they need to somehow find a wolf or the serial killer in order for knowing someone's role to benefit their team)
3. You were chosen because you tend to do a better job at convincing people to follow your lead in ambiguous situations.

While we're playing this game then Vike, why would the Priest resurrect you over me? I appreciate you can turn points 1 and 3 around and steal them, but what about point number 2?
1. Where does it say that priest goes before necromancer?
2. I'm gonna say you are wrong there. If the necromancer really wanted to find a wolf or serial killer, they would want someone who could definitely tell them who is what.
3. The reason I am the more likely candidate is because the revived person would most likely not even be able to use their power anyways, it is the person the priest revived whose role does not matter. The person who was revived will most likely be killed by wolves or the anti villagers that night. The main deciding factor in the end is who could contribute the most that day before they died. I've been talking with my priest (which revived me) today and discussing various plans and stuff which is why I posted so late.

Now you may say, well how would the wolves know whether the person who was spawned was a zombie or not? Well the thing is they probably won't. I expect what will end up happening is that one of us will get lynched and the other will be wolf killed. The only thing that can change that is if the necromancer was lucky and got contacts to tell the others not to kill the zombie. buuuuut the chances of that happening are pretty small.
 

RJS

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1. Where does it say that priest goes before necromancer?
2. I'm gonna say you are wrong there. If the necromancer really wanted to find a wolf or serial killer, they would want someone who could definitely tell them who is what.
3. The reason I am the more likely candidate is because the revived person would most likely not even be able to use their power anyways, it is the person the priest revived whose role does not matter. The person who was revived will most likely be killed by wolves or the anti villagers that night. The main deciding factor in the end is who could contribute the most that day before they died. I've been talking with my priest (which revived me) today and discussing various plans and stuff which is why I posted so late.

Now you may say, well how would the wolves know whether the person who was spawned was a zombie or not? Well the thing is they probably won't. I expect what will end up happening is that one of us will get lynched and the other will be wolf killed. The only thing that can change that is if the necromancer was lucky and got contacts to tell the others not to kill the zombie. buuuuut the chances of that happening are pretty small.

You ignored the fact that, at the time of resurrection, there would have been a bodyguard in play, and there may yet be a duplicate bodyguard in play. So your argument about the resurrected person being killed doesn't hold any water either. At the time of resurrection, the priest had reason to believe that the person whom they resurrected would be protected. Just one night with a proven town role is enough start the formation of a proven town network. Especially if that town can find other town players. So actually, I would argue that the role the person had is more critical to the priest than to the Necromancer. Sure, the Necromancer would benefit from finding a wolf, but just having a network of as many players as possible to coordinate with is good for them.

My point 1 was just a theory. I put those forwards as suggestions, not facts. Unless Trajazam confirms an order of operations, it's all supposition on that front.
 

VikeStep

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At this point, we both have reasoning that can be for both of us as the choice for the priest and the necromancer. and tbh they are both good reasoning. The only thing I know, is that I was contacted by a priest shortly after the start of the game and I still know no villager roles so I really haven't been able to network yet :/

But, if you wish to lynch me, remember to lynch RJS tomorrow. *shrugs*
 

Pyure

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At this point, we both have reasoning that can be for both of us as the choice for the priest and the necromancer. and tbh they are both good reasoning. The only thing I know, is that I was contacted by a priest shortly after the start of the game and I still know no villager roles so I really haven't been able to network yet :/

But, if you wish to lynch me, remember to lynch RJS tomorrow. *shrugs*
RJS I'm sending you a msg.
 

Pyure

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You realise the Matchmaker will be running tomorrow.
Werent they active D1? I talked to Joint-Smoking-GM and he said every X nights means usage on D1, with cooldowns.

Anyway that reminds me to remind matchmakers: linking me and vikestep as a joke is a nice way to throw a villager victory into the toilet guys.
 

TheEpic5

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Werent they active D1? I talked to Joint-Smoking-GM and he said every X nights means usage on D1, with cooldowns.

Anyway that reminds me to remind matchmakers: linking me and vikestep as a joke is a nice way to throw a villager victory into the toilet guys.
I have no idea what that means.
 

Pyure

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I have no idea what that means.
Good point.

1) I was told that "use your power every X days" means you can use it on the first day (D1), but then it has X-1 days cool down.
So if you can use your power "every other day", that can be days 1,3,5 OR 2,4,6 (OR 1,6,9,11, etc. So long as there's a cooldown period)

2) People have been known to link me and vikestep together as a joke. This is because we dramatically butt heads in some games. I'm pointing out that it might not be a great idea for a villager win.
 

Eruantien

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You ignored the fact that, at the time of resurrection, there would have been a bodyguard in play, and there may yet be a duplicate bodyguard in play. So your argument about the resurrected person being killed doesn't hold any water either. At the time of resurrection, the priest had reason to believe that the person whom they resurrected would be protected. Just one night with a proven town role is enough start the formation of a proven town network. Especially if that town can find other town players. So actually, I would argue that the role the person had is more critical to the priest than to the Necromancer. Sure, the Necromancer would benefit from finding a wolf, but just having a network of as many players as possible to coordinate with is good for them.

My point 1 was just a theory. I put those forwards as suggestions, not facts. Unless Trajazam confirms an order of operations, it's all supposition on that front.
Yeah, I've been wondering about OoO as well. @Werewolf Joint GM ?
Hm. Going for Vike now seems reasonable. Vote Vikestep, pending further developments...
 

Werewolf Joint GM

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Have we been doing the recaps an hour early? The end of day says we still have ~45 minutes, but the previous two recaps aimed for ~15 minutes ago.
 

Werewolf Joint GM

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Yeah, I've been wondering about OoO as well. @Werewolf Joint GM ?
We don't have one set up, and it'd be biased as all hell if we made one three days in. Luckily, though, we answered a similar question before.
Final Changes/Clarifications (maybe probably)
  • If a Priest and a Necromancer attempt to revive the same person on the same night, the resurrected player will not acquire the "Zombie" trait.