Crushed Ice

[Epic_Dave]

Hello everyone iv been at it again fiddling with some bees and i came cross ice shards, that lead me to crushed ice, and i know i can use it for coolant but i cannot find any information on how efficent this is in an engine vs water, im curious if anyone has any details on this, the wiki has none or that i can find, any information would be appreciated, ill be doing some of my own testing but i was curious if anyone else has some information.

some of my preliminary tests, if anyone would like to confirm as well that would be awesome, but here are my findings thus far.

combustion engine running on fuel, max temperature, appears to use 1 bucket of crushed ice to approximatly 5 buckets of water,
so 1-5 ratio from my first 3 tests, can anyone else confirm this ?

*additional testing*
-6.25 - 1
so effectively
6-1 to keep it simple.

 

[PeggleFrank]

In the force engine, it multiplies the MJ output by 4.

Very good if you're running your base off of them. 16MJ/t


It's better than water, overall. I'm not sure what the exact numbers are, though.

 

[Epic_Dave]

upon 10 more tests iv actually used some math for once lol, and found my first ratio to be off, in reality from my numbers it is closer to 6.25 - 1 thats far greater then i expected im hoping others can confirm this ratio

 

[natnif36]

But for coolant for combustion engines?
Just use water and Aquarius accumulators.

 

[namiasdf]

To cool 43 combustion engines, I only needed three pumps running off of 3 combustion engines. There is no excess energy, so I assume they can be pushed harder even.

It'll be a crap shoot when I upgrade to 80 engines....

 

[Epic_Dave]

But for coolant for combustion engines?
Just use water and Aquarius accumulators.

i know of the aquarius accumulators but this is an alternative route that there is very little information on and im trying to find more information , as currently from what iv seen its 6 buckets of water to 1 crushed ice, just a different approach to the 1 block solution.

 

[Harvest88]

Crushed Ice according to NEI says that it's 10x the power of water. (so not even a fuel powered engine need even a mb/t of crushed ice as one mb will be good for 10 mj) So to make real sense you could funnel in as little as 1mb/t to keep two Combustions going on Ethanol and a buffer tank of it would lasts for 20000 ticks ( 333mb of ethanol will burn for that long or 30 buckets of Crushed Ice is needed per bucket of ethanol burned)

 

[Epic_Dave]

Crushed Ice according to NEI says that it's 10x the power of water. (so not even a fuel powered engine need even a mb/t of crushed ice as one mb will be good for 10 mj) So to make real sense you could funnel in as little as 1mb/t to keep two Combustions going on Ethanol and a buffer tank of it would lasts for 20000 ticks ( 333mb of ethanol will burn for that long or 30 buckets of Crushed Ice is needed per bucket of ethanol burned)

interesting information Harvest thank you ill continue testing but its good to know nei has that information im guessing that is in one of the beta packs? or my nei on the current ultimate is out of date either way thank you very much for the break down on information

 

[Harvest88]

Just look up cooling recipes for the engine and hover over the cooling your in question.

 

[Martok]

i know of the aquarius accumulators but this is an alternative route that there is very little information on and im trying to find more information , as currently from what iv seen its 6 buckets of water to 1 crushed ice, just a different approach to the 1 block solution.

There really isn't much information on the this, so I'm very happy to see people looking in to it. Have you done any testing on the production of Ice Shards yet? I remember needing a lot of bees to keep up with just a few machines.

 

[Epic_Dave]

no i have not done testing in regards to the number of bees, but alot of that can be altered using an alviary and frame housing barring what sengir intends to do with the all work and no play of a queen, so im going to asume you wont be able to get it to max production rates in later forestry/extrabees but i see no reason just off of my rough guess you could maybe support 1-2 engines per bee. mind you thats my current guess i will be goin and testing this later today, but ill keep updating the thread.

 

[natnif36]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...29DN0cyam45Mlo5N3c&f=true&noheader=true&gid=0

Might help in regards to the bees.

How much ice per shard anyway?
1 bucket?

 

[Epic_Dave]

Just look up cooling recipes for the engine and hover over the cooling your in question.

ah there it is harvest thank you very much i did find it, didnt even consider looking into that section to find it, but yes it have a coolant value of 10, and water is 1, you would assume it would be 9X better however from testing i have not come to a point where this is true. im going to assume there is some more math involved in the cooling of engines, to get my numbers unless im wrong but someone will have to test besides me. but thank you again for helping me find that

 

[Harvest88]

I know people hate GT but why not the Vacuum Freezer? spits out an ice cell as fast as 2 seconds and you can recycle the cells with two liquid transposers. Like I said a mb of ice is good for 10mj so 1000/2 is 500mb per second or 5k mj every second so in ticks 5,000mj/20 is 250mj/t worth of cooling. Or 50 ethanol burning engines. This would be way more profitable if you had Dartcraft and using the ice as the throttling.

 

[Epic_Dave]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...29DN0cyam45Mlo5N3c&f=true&noheader=true&gid=0

Might help in regards to the bees.

How much ice per shard anyway?
1 bucket?

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I know people hate GT but why not the Vacuum Freezer? spits out an ice cell as fast as 2 seconds and you can recycle the cells with two liquid transposers. Like I said a mb of ice is good for 10mj so 1000/2 is 500mb per second or 5k mj every second so in ticks 5,000mj/20 is 250mj/t worth of cooling. Or 50 ethanol burning engines. This would be way more profitable if you had Dartcraft and using the ice as the throttling.

i like the way you think in regards to gregtech to make the coolant and its true it is very powerful with its production speed, and im sure it will be in no way compairable to bee production, its just gonna blow it out of the water lol, but rather iv just been gathering some information on the crushed ice, how long it lasts in an engine vs water, just for different ideas but yet by far in this GT would win out lol

 

[Harvest88]

One way is to see it if you want to double check is full the internal tank of one engine with water and the other with one bucket of ice. Then use something like Fuel (it's the fastest way to do it) and see if both will blow up at the same time. Which they should as long as they both start up at the same time and put in what I said and used the same fuel type in both engine and constantly supply the fuel of your choice until they blow. (fuel you won't have to just filler up and both will blow at the same time long before they run dry)

 

[Epic_Dave]

One way is to see it if you want to double check is full the internal tank of one engine with water and the other with one bucket of ice. Then use something like Fuel (it's the fastest way to do it) and see if both will blow up at the same time. Which they should as long as they both start up at the same time and put in what I said and used the same fuel type in both engine and constantly supply the fuel of your choice until they blow. (fuel you won't have to just filler up and both will blow at the same time long before they run dry)

ok just did several more tests and i find your test outcome to be wrong, with 10 to 1 the ice engine generates nearly 500 more heat befor the water engine begins to gain any and explodes befor the water engine, im now going to test 9-1 as that would be closer if it is 9 X better then water but when testing do remember to seperate your engines they have a large blast radius.

 

[Harvest88]

No I was only guessing off the NEI.. 10.00 is 10 times 1.00 now I don't get how NEI scales it now. I thought for every 1.00 is 1mj worth of cooling per mb but now that you tested it it's not 10x the cooling. I wonders what's it's actually is.

 

[Epic_Dave]

yea im going to just continue testing your way of exploding the engines as the gage lol until i do find the correct ratio or close enough, its always good to have these values at hand lol

 

[Harvest88]

Yea idk why it's isn't 10:1 cause that would make the most senses.