Boilers, Steam, Tesseracts and Energy Bridge

[Bloodfrost]

A friend of mine and i are building an island of HP36 boilers, we currently have 3 of them. We are using Liquiduct from 4-5 points to pump the steam into 4-5 sides of a liquid tesseract and doing this 2x on each boiler. The tesseracts are than transporting the steam back into our base which than is going into our energy bridge via steam consumer and then being converted into EU via IC2 MV Producer.

Now the issue we have here is... 1 of these setups gives us ~866 mB. Which is enough to output to 256 EU, probably more TBH but we just used 2 IC2 MV Producers. So logically, one would assume that if one boiler could sustain that sort of output? 2 of them would be able to sustain 1 IC2 HV Producer for 1 512 EU?. The more boilers we hook up to this tesseract system, it does not appear to be producing more mB in our energy bridge... We've tried to see if there was a limit online to the output of tesseracts but i've only see a limit to the input. Does anyone have any clairifcation on this? or any way to have multiple boilers feeding steam into 1 Tesseract output which feeds into 1 Energybridge?

This is the boiler setup.



And sorry i couldnt host this pic on the site apparently... but heres a pic of my energy Bridge. http://s377.photobucket.com/user/Bloodfrost13th/media/EnergyBridge.png.html

 

[twisto51]

I'd have the liquiduct compress the steam before putting it through the tesseract.

Go with the normal 9 liquiduct connections on a side, then out of that group of nine one run liquiduct to your tesseract.

Measuring with the multimeter yesterday, it looked like the compressed steam from 1 36HP boiler took up 1/4 the capacity of a liquiduct, something else to consider as you add more boilers.

I have a couple 36hp boilers in a chest somewhere and a 12x12 xycraft tank of fuel, I can do some testing this evening.

 

[KirinDave]

Ender Tanks have really high throughput, auto-eject, and look awesome. Consider them as well.

 

[Bloodfrost]

Doesnt hte Liquiduct cable have a max amount of mB it can contain in one cable? If i'm understanding correctly i'm assuming you want me to take 9 liquiduct pipes and compress them into 1 output into the tesseract? I had thought i read somewhere that liquiduct can only do like...120 or 160 or something like that.

As for the Ender tank. Whats your sugesstion for that? build a tank, have the steam go into the tank, use the ender tank on top and have that piping directly into a tesseract?

I think the issue i'm having is that 1 single tesseract is unable to take what appears to be more than 800ish mB/tick.... on the reciving end... not the transmitting end.

 

[Enigmius1]

Doesnt hte Liquiduct cable have a max amount of mB it can contain in one cable? If i'm understanding correctly i'm assuming you want me to take 9 liquiduct pipes and compress them into 1 output into the tesseract? I had thought i read somewhere that liquiduct can only do like...120 or 160 or something like that.

As for the Ender tank. Whats your sugesstion for that? build a tank, have the steam go into the tank, use the ender tank on top and have that piping directly into a tesseract?

I think the issue i'm having is that 1 single tesseract is unable to take what appears to be more than 800ish mB/tick.... on the reciving end... not the transmitting end.

I think the idea is that you'd use the ender tank in place of a liquid tesseract, as they have largely the same function. You would never pump from an ender tank to a tesseract.

 

[Peppe]

Most things that can accept a liquid will only accept up to 160 mb/t per connection. You can compress steam into one liquiduct, but to get it all sent you need to connect to multiple sides and/or multiple tesseracts. It will not accept more than 160 steam per side.

The Tesseract will output a fully compressed amount of steam though, but whatever is consuming the steam will need your total steam/160 connection points.

Edit, tested endertank. It outputs only 50mb/t per side to liquiducts or 100 to a directly connected tank.

 

[Bloodfrost]

Hmmmm ok, i kinda get that, i still don't see how that will help overcome the limitation of the pipe you have to use to connect it to my Energy Bridge. Is there any special way you guys are thinking of getting a single point of contact to do a massive amount of mB/tick?[DOUBLEPOST=1365618903][/DOUBLEPOST]

Most things that can accept a liquid will only accept up to 160 mb/t per connection. You can compress steam into one liquiduct, but to get it all sent you need to connect to multiple sides and/or multiple tesseracts. It will not accept more than 160 steam per side.

The Tesseract will output a fully compressed amount of steam though, but whatever is consuming the steam will need your total steam/160 connection points.

Hmmm i thought my images showed that decently clearly. I currently have 3 boilers with 4 tesseracts and adding the other 2 tesseracts? did not increase performance even 1 mB. Which leads me to believe that a tesseract has a maximum OUTPUT...

The unconnected stuff on the top of my energy bridge is a IC2 HV Producer which is being fed <when i put a cable there> into a MFSU, which would presumably take 512 EU/tick. When i connect that wire? it compleatly kills my system.... So if we do the math on that?...

I currently have 2 MV IC2 producers from 1 36HP Boiler with 2 tesseracts connected to it via 9 connection points via liquiduct. Its giving me ~880mb/tick into my energy Bridge. This sustains my 2 MV IC2 things that product 256 EU/tick, it even could do a bit more.

I have another 36HP Boiler that i have connected 2 more tesseracts to in identical fashion being fed to the same tesseract as the first two into the same system... but it doesnt add anything at all. I'm getting a max of 880mb/tick ... adding another boiler did nothing. This is my exact problem.

 

[twisto51]

I setup two 36HP tanks. Throughput per tick reads 160mB/t off of either of them using 9 to 1. Combining both of those 9 to 1 still reads 160mB/t. Disregard what I was saying earlier about maxing out a piece of liquiduct, that was me reading the output from the multimeter incorrectly.

Running it through a tesseract I show 160mB/t on just a nipple sticking out of the tesseract.
I've now run that to 36 Industrial steam engines. It reads 80mB/t when the engines are running.

This is single connection to each tesseract in the pair. I'll see what MJ the engines top out at and post some picks. Will add links to tesseracts if one per doesn't put all engines at max.

 

[Peppe]

Heating up some boilers.

What does your energy side look like?

Here is one boiler producing steam:

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I have custom power converter settings, so my EU/t is going to be a little different than you.

You should need 1054 steam with default configs to get 512 EU/t. My configs will require 1024 steam.

 

[twisto51]

OK, the results of my testing:

It took 5 sides of a tesseract for each boiler on the input side.

It only took 1 side on the output side.

This config put each engine at 8MJ/t.

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And looking at the post above mine could stick the tesseract on the boiler itself and save 5 liquiduct per boiler.

 

[Peppe]

Steam consumers appear to cap input at 1000 mb/t, or that is the max the tesserect will send out of one side.

At any rate here is two boilers online:

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Edit:
Confirmed consumers will not accept more than 1000mb/t of steam.

So for 4 boilers we have 720 *4 = 2880 mb/t. 3 consumers are needed:

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Even though it says 2k EU/t out it flashes that on/off, so over several ticks you average the proper amount for the conversion ratio.

 

[Bloodfrost]

Alright thank you, you have confirmed than what i have already... <sigh> thats dissapointing... You're method is actually 100x better than ours so we're officially stealing it . Your piping looks so clean hahaha. My friend did question what htat Diamond Box is in the middle of your boilers in one of your pictures?... we use a diff texture pack so i'm unsure what it is.

 

[Peppe]

Alright thank you, you have confirmed than what i have already... <sigh> thats dissapointing... You're method is actually 100x better than ours so we're officially stealing it . Your piping looks so clean hahaha. My friend did question what htat Diamond Box is in the middle of your boilers in one of your pictures?... we use a diff texture pack so i'm unsure what it is.

I can't take credit for that pipe layout. Saw it in some thread here and just remembered if I ever used tesseracts on a boiler to remember to do it that way

The diamond is the duplicator block. It was a creative world there, so i just used the liquid duplicator block added by imbus something to supply infinite fuel to the boilers for testing.

 

[Bloodfrost]

I can't take credit for that pipe layout. Saw it in some thread here and just remembered if I ever used tesseracts on a boiler to remember to do it that way

The diamond is the duplicator block. It was a creative world there, so i just used the liquid duplicator block added by imbus something to supply infinite fuel to the boilers for testing.

Ahhh ok thanks haha...

Ok i should point something out. As soon as you brought to my attention that the clear limit is with the consumers and producers IE energy conversion mod and NOT with the tesseracts <i dont have a lot of experiance with tesseracts so i instantly assumed them the guitly party>. I pulled up the config file for EnergyConverter... and found this
####################
# ratios
####################

ratios {
I:BuildCraftInternalEnergyPerEachInput=4375
I:BuildCraftInternalEnergyPerEachOutput=4375
I:FactorizationInternalEnergyPerEachInput=1458
I:FactorizationInternalEnergyPerEachOutput=1458
I:IndustrialCraftInternalEnergyPerEachInput=1800
I:IndustrialCraftInternalEnergyPerEachOutput=1800
I:SteamInternalEnergyPerEachInput=875
I:SteamInternalEnergyPerEachOutput=875
I:UniversalElectricityInternalEnergyPerEachInput=10
I:UniversalElectricityInternalEnergyPerEachOutput=10

I should point out... that it SURE is conveniant that the steam energy output is at 875... which COINCIDENTLY is exactly how much MB/tick i was getting capped at.... ...

So with that said, i apoligize for wasting all your time, but i do apprecaite the help with finding out the issue was not tesseracts. I'll just tweak this to a more acceptable number.


EDIT - It also appears i spoke too soon, as thats a conversion ratio, once i messed with it, i found i was using 128mB/tick to power everything fine... which would be... well... cheating.

 

[Peppe]

Ahhh ok thanks haha...

Ok i should point something out. As soon as you brought to my attention that the clear limit is with the consumers and producers IE energy conversion mod and NOT with the tesseracts <i dont have a lot of experiance with tesseracts so i instantly assumed them the guitly party>. I pulled up the config file for EnergyConverter... and found this
####################
# ratios
####################

ratios {
I:BuildCraftInternalEnergyPerEachInput=4375
I:BuildCraftInternalEnergyPerEachOutput=4375
I:FactorizationInternalEnergyPerEachInput=1458
I:FactorizationInternalEnergyPerEachOutput=1458
I:IndustrialCraftInternalEnergyPerEachInput=1800
I:IndustrialCraftInternalEnergyPerEachOutput=1800
I:SteamInternalEnergyPerEachInput=875
I:SteamInternalEnergyPerEachOutput=875
I:UniversalElectricityInternalEnergyPerEachInput=10
I:UniversalElectricityInternalEnergyPerEachOutput=10

I should point out... that it SURE is conveniant that the steam energy output is at 875... which COINCIDENTLY is exactly how much MB/tick i was getting capped at.... ...

So with that said, i apoligize for wasting all your time, but i do apprecaite the help with finding out the issue was not tesseracts. I'll just tweak this to a more acceptable number.


EDIT - It also appears i spoke too soon, as thats a conversion ratio, once i messed with it, i found i was using 128mB/tick to power everything fine... which would be... well... cheating.

Correct those are just ratios. You don't want to change those as they set how much of each power you can get for each input.

Your 866 cap is likely somewhere else in your system. What does your converter section look like and what does your bridge show?

I haven't used energy converters much, but the 1000mb/t cap is probably hard coded. You can have 5 consumers per energy bridge though, so you should have no problem consuming all the steam you produce. If you have more than 5000mb/t then you just add another bridge and another 5 consumers or whatever ratio you need to balance the input and output.

 

[Bloodfrost]

Correct those are just ratios. You don't want to change those as they set how much of each power you can get for each input.

Your 866 cap is likely somewhere else in your system. What does your converter section look like and what does your bridge show?

I haven't used energy converters much, but the 1000mb/t cap is probably hard coded. You can have 5 consumers per energy bridge though, so you should have no problem consuming all the steam you produce. If you have more than 5000mb/t then you just add another bridge and another 5 consumers or whatever ratio you need to balance the input and output.

Yeah i thought that would be fine... but i just did a test and it appears that 1000mB/tick isnt a cap for the consumers, its a cap for the bridge... I did your setup for 4 Consumers with 2 tesseracts touching? it still cannot sustain a IC2 HV Producer as all the consumers for steam cannot go over 1000mB TOTAL between the 4 =(.

 

[Peppe]

Yeah i thought that would be fine... but i just did a test and it appears that 1000mB/tick isnt a cap for the consumers, its a cap for the bridge... I did your setup for 4 Consumers with 2 tesseracts touching? it still cannot sustain a IC2 HV Producer as all the consumers for steam cannot go over 1000mB TOTAL between the 4 =(.

You might want to post some pics of the rest of your design. Make sure all the tesseracts on the boilers are in send only mode.

The ones at the consumers should be fine in dual mode, but I would set the to recieve only since that is all they should do.

Bridge running 2880 mb/t of steam:

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3 consumers, 1 bridge, 1 EV producer:

 

[Bloodfrost]

I'd say i'm 99% of the way there, believe it or not i was having issues with the boilers themselves... as for modes for tesseracts?... ... *goes and looks at tesseract config* oh yeah... ok sure lol. I didnt realize that a single point on the boiler only puts out... 80mB it hink? so i had 1 point of contact on the boiler for each pipe into the tesseract. Whereas i should of had multiple points going into the same pipe from the boiler to increase the amount going out to max the pipes out. However when i do this, i do drain the steam from the boiler really really fast... Either way, i am down to 1 tesseract per boiler now with about 9 points of contact on the boiler itself which will put out ~900ishmB/tick. As for the 1 tesseract touching 2 consumers?... i'm still having some issues with that, it was ... weird.. But yeah, I think i've got this on lockdown now.

Thanks for the help.

 

[KirinDave]

Most things that can accept a liquid will only accept up to 160 mb/t per connection. You can compress steam into one liquiduct, but to get it all sent you need to connect to multiple sides and/or multiple tesseracts. It will not accept more than 160 steam per side.

The Tesseract will output a fully compressed amount of steam though, but whatever is consuming the steam will need your total steam/160 connection points.

Edit, tested endertank. It outputs only 50mb/t per side to liquiducts or 100 to a directly connected tank.

That's odd, because it's supposed to have a much higher flow volume when auto-ejecting. ChickenBones was quoting some absurdly high number. Perhaps he meant internal flow capacity. Supposedly Ender Tanks have the capacity to move the most fluid around amongst diverse points, but their auto-eject itself may be slower.