To make them into pures, I'll say get rid of the Soul Frames.
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Thanks. So for my own info, where should you stop using the soul frames in the mutation process? Obviously you'd want to use them if you have, say, only 1 unactive trait of the bee you're aiming for, but you say not to use them when you have 2 of each trait? Can you explain why? Is it because both of the traits for the species I want are already both on the active side? If I instead had a cultivated majestic princess and a matching drone, with the majestic trait on the inactive side on both, then I'd still need to use the soul frames for that generation yes?
A noble bee together with a cultivated bee has a base chance of 8% to mutate to a majestic bee. Each soul frame multiplies that chance by 150%, so three frames grant a 337.5% multiplier. In the case of the majestic bee mutation, three frames should bring you up to a 27% chance to get a majestic trait per bee produced - so long as the parents are noble and cultivated. Those are the only match that can be used to mutate to majestic.
Cultivated and majestic bees together have no chance to mutate into anything. Hence putting soul frames in gives you a great big multiplier to your 0% chance to see a new species appear, leaving you with a 0% chance of seeing a new species appear. Soul frames have nothing to do with whether active/inactive traits will swap or disappear altogether - that's an entirely different matter.
Mutations are a process where breeding species x with species y gives you species z. Species z will never mutate to species z because it already is species z.Wait.. So this is where I've been going wrong then? I assumed that in the case of say, a cultivated princess and a cultivated majestic drone, using the soul frames would greatly improve my chances of them mutating into majestics? So that doesn't work then and if I want majestics then I'll have a better chance using soul frames on cultivateds and nobles?
Saving pure drones would be your best bet. Even if after five cycles you don't have the princess you want, if you've been putting aside pure drones, then you no longer need to mutate in order to get your princess.I had a pure drone but I lost when running it with a common princess + souls.Maybe I should've kept the pure dili drone to one side until I had a <something> dili hybrid princess and then run it with that for a good chance of getting pure dilis?
Wait.. So this is where I've been going wrong then? I assumed that in the case of say, a cultivated princess and a cultivated majestic drone, using the soul frames would greatly improve my chances of them mutating into majestics? So that doesn't work then and if I want majestics then I'll have a better chance using soul frames on cultivateds and nobles?
Anyway, managed to get a pure noble princess and matching drone now so going to put those in my automated line for a while to get a bunch of drones. Still trying to get the pure diligents at the moment. I had a pure drone but I lost when running it with a common princess + souls.Maybe I should've kept the pure dili drone to one side until I had a <something> dili hybrid princess and then run it with that for a good chance of getting pure dilis?
Correct. For purification purposes use only chocolate frames if anything, because they mainly reduce the lifespan of your princess, thus giving you the next generation faster. Soul frames also reduce lifespan a bit, but they last shorter (80 bee ticks instead of 240 bee ticks) and should be mainly used to receive a new mutation.@ snoder, I actually got the diligents from just one inactive trait on a common drone with a pure common princess. I'm pretty sure I got the pure diligent drone from that breed along with a common diligent drone and a common diligent princess. I did use soul frames and thought that they were the reason why I got the pure diligent drone, but from your post (and others) they wouldn't have had any effect as there were no cultivated traits involved and so it was just pure luck?
Ooh, I'd been wondering about that. Good to know!Regarding mutation: Only the last bee tick (the one where the queen dies and produces offspring) is relevant for mutation, so if you want to minimize the damage to your soul frames, you could add them to the apiary only for the very last bee tick.
Correct. For purification purposes use only chocolate frames if anything, because they mainly reduce the lifespan of your princess, thus giving you the next generation faster. Soul frames also reduce lifespan a bit, but they last shorter (80 bee ticks instead of 240 bee ticks) and should be mainly used to receive a new mutation.
Regarding mutation: Only the last bee tick (the one where the queen dies and produces offspring) is relevant for mutation, so if you want to minimize the damage to your soul frames, you could add them to the apiary only for the very last bee tick.
A list of the capabilites of the frames can be found on the official FTB Wiki.