Barrels: JABBA vs. Factorization

[Gamesaucer]

I'm creating a modpack, and I'd really like to know people's opinions on which one is superior.

For example, I don't think JABBA has hopping barrels.
However, Factorization does not have the -fork.

So, what's your opinion?

 

[ljfa]

I'd say Jabba is superior in all aspects. You can upgrade Jabba barrels to make them hopping.
Also: you can pipe items in and out from every side of a Jabba barrel, but with FZ barrels you need to pipe into the top and pull from the bottom IIRC.

 

[Azzanine]

Jabba has an automatic ore dictionary unifier.

 

[ThatOneSlowking]

I'm creating a modpack, and I'd really like to know people's opinions on which one is superior.

For example, I don't think JABBA has hopping barrels.
However, Factorization does not have the -fork.

So, what's your opinion?

JABBA is better.
Although Factorization has tons of cool content.

 

[immibis]

JABBA is designed to be superior in all aspects - see the name (Just Another Better Barrel Attempt).

Although if you want simplicity, and you already have Factorization for other reasons (like servos) then it might not be worth adding JABBA.

 

[Celestialphoenix]

Factorization- because you can only pull from the top/bottom. Having a few rules like that leads to more creative designs.
More content/function does not equal a better game.

 

[Azzanine]

If Factorization had a in built ore dictionary unifier I probably still wouldn't use it as I skip on Factorization.
Which his sad too it's a competent mod but just doesn't offer much things that are new. Servos feel like restricted turtles only with less functions.
I kind of have a feeling if Factorization had a better power system sooner I'd probably be using the mod.
Seeing how I ignore 90% of what factorization offers I just left it out of my selection of mods.

 

[ljfa]

Having FZ only for the barrels is kinda pointless. Better use Jabba or something else instead.

 

[Revemohl]

JABBA wins in every single aspect. Barrels are upgradeable for more storage, you can pipe things in and out from whichever side, they can auto-output stuff, delete items once they're full, emit redstone, act as pseudo-ender chests, and they look better. They're also completely customizable in the config.
Factorization is a bit complex and has some annoying ways to do things but it has some nice features, like routers (which got removed in 1.7, hooray). However, using them for barrels alone nowadays would be silly.

 

[KurShedir]

Let's put it like this: if a modpack would force me to use factorization barrels for progression or storage, I would not even download it.

 

[Gamesaucer]

Let's put it like this: if a modpack would force me to use factorization barrels for progression or storage, I would not even download it.

What's with this hatred for FZ? The concept of the barrels remains the same. Please enlighten me as to why it is so insufferable.

Although if you want simplicity, and you already have Factorization for other reasons (like servos) then it might not be worth adding JABBA.

Factorization- because you can only pull from the top/bottom. Having a few rules like that leads to more creative designs.
More content/function does not equal a better game.

I see. I may consider not using JABBA in that case.

Having FZ only for the barrels is kinda pointless. Better use Jabba or something else instead.

I'm using Factorization for other stuff. I can add JABBA and do some stuff with MineTweaker to disable FZ barrels, though.

 

[Azzanine]

What's with this hatred for FZ? The concept of the barrels remains the same. Please enlighten me as to why it is so insufferable.

It's not really hate, it just feels dumb downloading the whole mod just for barrels. Factorization despite being an OK mod is usually very underutilized, only barrels, wrath lamps and in rare instances routers will be used but the rest of FZ seldom gets used. Servos feel unfinnished.
I remember only using the packager and barrels myself, despite their power I never delved in to routers, the few times I used them they felt unwieldy, chances are I was misusing them. And wrath lamps where always blocked on all the servers I went to, blocked becasue wrath igniters where banned. So either way I never got a chance to like FZ.

 

[Celestialphoenix]

That sounds like the fault of a crappy server admin, rather than Fz itself.

(FYI- autocraft the ingiter, and pipe it into a deployer/activator/tool dyno)​

 

[immibis]

Let's put it like this: if a modpack would force me to use factorization barrels for progression or storage, I would not even download it.

It's a good thing no modpack disables chests, then.

 

[belgabor]

I really liked factorization barrels and was dubious at first about JABBA, but it is just so much better. The nail in the coffin for factorization barrels (for me) was though when they stopped working properly with AE.

 

[KurShedir]

What's with this hatred for FZ? The concept of the barrels remains the same. Please enlighten me as to why it is so insufferable.

I don't hate Factorization, I'm talking about the barrels, which I found glitchy and obsolete. Since Jabba exists, I don't see the point of using FZ barrels anymore. New barrels mods were made because the concept needed an improvement, such as the possibility to move them with a legit and perfectly reasonable item (the dolly) instead of doing the job with a glitchy and dangerous gravity or portal gun. Also, the possibility to input and output using different sides is good for cleaner designs and avoids messy jungles of pipes/ducts/whatever for simple tasks. Which can also mean less lag on servers and less fps drops if you're running modded Minecraft on a toaster like I do.

It's a good thing no modpack disables chests, then.

Don't give evil people evil ideas.

 

[Gamesaucer]

Also, the possibility to input and output using different sides is good for cleaner designs and avoids messy jungles of pipes/ducts/whatever for simple tasks. Which can also mean less lag on servers and less fps drops if you're running modded Minecraft on a toaster like I do.

Emphasis mine. While I agree that it may be easier to work with, I also understand the idea of why it won't work with Factorization. After all, one usually fills a barrel from the top, not from the sides. As for cleaner designs, as a person who has programming as their hobby, I'm of the opinion that less ways to achieve something is better, as it leads to a more complete understanding of what's going on and offer less room for error.

I would also like to add that FZ item routers provide a neat way of eliminating most, if not all, needed pipes/ducts in a lot of situations.

Don't give evil people evil ideas.

*whistles innocently*

 

[KurShedir]

Emphasis mine. While I agree that it may be easier to work with, I also understand the idea of why it won't work with Factorization. After all, one usually fills a barrel from the top, not from the sides. As for cleaner designs, as a person who has programming as their hobby, I'm of the opinion that less ways to achieve something is better, as it leads to a more complete understanding of what's going on and offer less room for error.

Well, this is a modpack design choice, go with the one you think fits better your concept. That was just my feedback, because I care a lot about the safety and the playability of my worlds. I actually am a programmer too, and I prefer new "technologies" doing a better job over classic or nostalgic ways to achieve the same thing. Nowadays FZ barrels feel like my Turbo Pascal certification.

 

[darkeshrine]

Here's something that's yet to be mentioned: I can make Jabba barrels out of any type of wood and i don't have to worry about my wall being covered in a bunch of different colored barrels.

 

[SatanicSanta]

I much prefer Factorization, for the following reasons:

1. Factorization adds a lot of really amazing content apart from the barrels, while JABBA does not. I
2. f Factorization is installed, I consider JABBA to be bloatware, as there are already barrels, DSUs, etc.
3. I dislike the tiering system in JABBA.
4. I don't see a purpose in the JABBA upgrades.
5. They aren't as pretty.

Now, I'm not saying that in a pack without FZ I wouldn't install JABBA; I would, but I much prefer FZ.