It's your game, play it your way. Be faster just to cheat them in, though. Just sayin'
Am I supposed to be getting dust when I grind my gem ores?
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No community is better at splitting hairs around the issue of 'effort' than Minecraft.
Seems like a silly argument because if you really cared about how many gems you get from an ore, you'd have made yourself a Fortune III pick instead of a Rockcutter. An XP grinder is IMO less effort than setting up the Industrial Blast Furnace you need to make the Rockcutter, and certainly costs less resources to make.
I'm not following direwolfs guide to starting your world super fast and efficient and conquering your tech tree with geothermal generators and the nether and completely copied methods. Haven't gotten around to farming xp yet. I have a hole in the ground in my base and there are some diamonds down there. Would be nice to double them so I can get a quarry a little sooner. I didn't need a blast furnace for the rockcutter either. What do you think you need that for, the diamond dust?
I just want the GregTech toys without the GregTech "(un)balance". Is that so much to ask?
No, not Diamonds Dust. Rock Cutter requires Titanium, which requires an Industrial Blast Furnace.
Yeah, MFINN23 pretty much nailed how I feel about it. It's Minecraft...if you like a LOT of the "mine" part, get GregTech. If you like more of the "craft" part, stick with something else. 
I tested with GregTech disabled and there's no default-IC2 Macerator recipe for Diamond Ore or RP2 gem ore.
Maybe I'm just one of those who prefers the "mine" aspect of Minecraft, but here's what I have to say.
Remember: In vanilla, we generally use the first diamonds that we get on an enchanting table! As fun as macerators, pulverizers, and other ore machines are, good ol' vanilla still has its place in FTB ore processing. In the case of diamonds, vanilla enchanting mechanics beat out all machines: Fortune III will yield on average more than two diamonds per ore. Raid local villages for bookshelves (you only need 2 librarian houses + 1 extra bookshelf). If levels are an issue, many proposals have been suggested already, but here's another one: go caving for an hour or so (it's fun!). Fortune III will pop out on an iron pickaxe a quarter of the time at level 30, and it's infinitely and cheaply repairable. It's your best diamond processing machine ever! Also effective on redpower gems and other ores, so definitely worth the time investment, and faster than finding iron and steel for gregtech's machine casing anyway.
Also: Be sure to look into other options besides a quarry for mining. There are plenty. Buildcraft itself also comes with the filler, which when used on "clear" mode can act as a super-fast quarry. It's just a little messier, and you have to set up a system to collect the drops. There are also the IC2 Miners, which will probably output more ore more quickly than a quarry, and are much cheaper. If you're handy with programming, turtles are also a great way to go. Maybe get a mining laser and an advanced lappack, dig down to Y=10 (or higher if you want more tin/copper) and set to horizontal mode (definitely try this one out sometime). The one benefit to the quarry is that although it is slow,you don't ever have to babysit it.
Remember: In vanilla, we generally use the first diamonds that we get on an enchanting table! As fun as macerators, pulverizers, and other ore machines are, good ol' vanilla still has its place in FTB ore processing. In the case of diamonds, vanilla enchanting mechanics beat out all machines: Fortune III will yield on average more than two diamonds per ore. Raid local villages for bookshelves (you only need 2 librarian houses + 1 extra bookshelf). If levels are an issue, many proposals have been suggested already, but here's another one: go caving for an hour or so (it's fun!). Fortune III will pop out on an iron pickaxe a quarter of the time at level 30, and it's infinitely and cheaply repairable. It's your best diamond processing machine ever! Also effective on redpower gems and other ores, so definitely worth the time investment, and faster than finding iron and steel for gregtech's machine casing anyway.
Also: Be sure to look into other options besides a quarry for mining. There are plenty. Buildcraft itself also comes with the filler, which when used on "clear" mode can act as a super-fast quarry. It's just a little messier, and you have to set up a system to collect the drops. There are also the IC2 Miners, which will probably output more ore more quickly than a quarry, and are much cheaper. If you're handy with programming, turtles are also a great way to go. Maybe get a mining laser and an advanced lappack, dig down to Y=10 (or higher if you want more tin/copper) and set to horizontal mode (definitely try this one out sometime). The one benefit to the quarry is that although it is slow,you don't ever have to babysit it.
yup
Well thats good. It just sucks considering everyone is upping their recipes to include more diamonds. Everything costs diamonds now. Even the longfall boots...[DOUBLEPOST=1357740893][/DOUBLEPOST]
We've stiill got the industrial diamonds though, thank god for that.
Diamonds boots - 4 diamond, has durability, increased enchanting cost due to diamonds + possible durability loss. Enchants can cover at cap 56% fall damage if you are unlucky, more if you are lucky.
Longfall boots - 4 iron, 12 obsidian, no durability, cheaper enchanting cost due to mod item, does not even need feather falling
Now needing diamonds for the obsidian (not always true) isn't an argument since you need to not only have more than 3 diamonds for diamond boots. The iron cost is negligible for boots that will never be destroyed. Enchanting cost is a conscious decision early game but why not put them on your indestructible better than diamond boots?
Note: I never stated they had to be made weaker. There is a consensus (and agreement by the mod author) that the portal stuff is way too cheap for survival pre-nerf because it was originally intended for survival only. He made the changes to adjust to the power of the items for survival mode.
Longfall boots - 4 iron, 12 obsidian, no durability, cheaper enchanting cost due to mod item, does not even need feather falling
Now needing diamonds for the obsidian (not always true) isn't an argument since you need to not only have more than 3 diamonds for diamond boots. The iron cost is negligible for boots that will never be destroyed. Enchanting cost is a conscious decision early game but why not put them on your indestructible better than diamond boots?
Note: I never stated they had to be made weaker. There is a consensus (and agreement by the mod author) that the portal stuff is way too cheap for survival pre-nerf because it was originally intended for survival only. He made the changes to adjust to the power of the items for survival mode.
Diamond Ore generation was increased from default in the MindCrack pack, BTW. Compare the Vanilla to TE generation numbers.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AkyyXhhEeDI2dHprQ2ViOFIxYk5DZFlQVURXdTJqX1E
So you're already getting nearly double diamonds anyways - all without having to do anything.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AkyyXhhEeDI2dHprQ2ViOFIxYk5DZFlQVURXdTJqX1E
So you're already getting nearly double diamonds anyways - all without having to do anything.
For the record, there actually is another way to double your diamonds:
The Factorization grinder yields 2.2 diamonds per ore, if I remember correctly. Diamonds, not the dust. Still need a block of diamond to set it up, though.
The Factorization grinder yields 2.2 diamonds per ore, if I remember correctly. Diamonds, not the dust. Still need a block of diamond to set it up, though.