Aluminum - Xycraft and GregTech

[ChaseNetwork]

Alright, so with the GregTech on the MindCrack Pack, Aluminum becomes a required material for what should be Tier 1 things such as water mills, however, the only way to get it early are from a 5% chance off a Pulverizer and Bauxite Ore, and that dust has to be put through a Blast Furnace in order to get usable ingots. It takes 4 of those ingots to get two simple watermills.

Another item that irks me about aluminum is that the Aluminum from Xycraft is not an interchangeable mediary with the Aluminum from IC2 GregTech. Xycraft Aluminum occurs roughly as often as Iron does. Also, There seems to be quite a handful of recipes where aluminum ingots are useable in place of iron ingots, but Aluminum is signifcantly rare to obtain in comparison.

How do you all feel about this? I would appreciate reading any thoughts and opinions on the matter.

 

[Honza8D]

Alright, so with the GregTech on the MindCrack Pack, Aluminum becomes a required material for what should be Tier 1 things such as water mills, however, the only way to get it early are from a 5% chance off a Pulverizer and Bauxite Ore, and that dust has to be put through a Blast Furnace in order to get usable ingots. It takes 4 of those ingots to get two simple watermills.

Water mills were very overpowered so GregTech changed them to mid-game generators. if you want old recipe back go into config/Gregtech/resipes.cfg and change line
B:ExpensiveWatermillRecipe=true
to
B:ExpensiveWatermillRecipe=false

Another item that irks me about aluminum is that the Aluminum from Xycraft is not an interchangeable mediary with the Aluminum from IC2 GregTech. Xycraft Aluminum occurs roughly as often as Iron does. Also, There seems to be quite a handful of recipes where aluminum ingots are useable in place of iron ingots, but Aluminum is signifcantly rare to obtain in comparison.

How do you all feel about this? I would appreciate reading any thoughts and opinions on the matter.

XyCraft aluminum can't be compatible with GregTech aluminium as the mod author didn't want it. And Bauxite for aluminium isn't really that rare, you need to mine in correct biome (plains, forest, and some ExtrabiomesXL ones)

 

[danidas]

Greg wants any and all energy from nothing methods to be mid to late game so you have to rely on the methods that burn fuel in the early game. Such as normal generators, geothermals, and his specialty generators in order to earn the right to supplement your power infrastructure with the energy from nothing methods. Which are not intended to be a primary energy source due to them being far more costly to make then the other energy sources that require maintenance/refueling.

All in all it does add a good bit to the game play as you cannot take the very well treaded upon easy route normal IC2 offers. Such as making a few solars/watermills to get limitless free ore processing the first few hours of play time and be set for power generation for a good while.

 

[Bahnmor]

I agree with the above. I'm playing through and thoroughly enjoying the ways I'm having to adapt from the old tried-and-true methods of power generation.
I'm finding new ways to set things up that I hadn't considered before.

The Xycraft aluminium works fine for me. I'm using it for cans to run my lava farms, and torches for my base until I get my lunar lamp network running.

 

[Bagman817]

Honestly, I haven't really noticed it to be an issue. Geotherms are already more powerful and nearly as easy to get as watermills or solars even without GregTech, so I think it's a non-issue early game. Mid game, it's easy to acquire from the Centrifuge (or is it Electrolyzer now? I forget) and is handy for increasing your mixed metal ingots. As for Xycraft being a replacement, that would entirely defeat the point, as it is so ridiculously common.

 

[WTFFFS]

Early game Aluminium and Titanium are rare, mid game you will have barrels of Alu\stacks of Titanium sitting around doing nothing so their use in mixed metal ingots and as a substitute in crafting recipes is great, gives them a later game use once your excessive production of them makes them essentially valueless. A normal mining run at diamond level in a plains\forest (also includes various EBXL biomes flagged as plains\forest) will usually net a stack or so of Bauxite which once processed (Ind Grinder\Ind Blast Furnace) = a stack and a bit of Alu and quarter of a stack of Ti or so.

Also Xycraft is Aluminum, Gregtech is the correct Aluminium. (if you aren't American that is )

 

[Bahnmor]

Going a little more scientific, Gregtech has the correct position on aluminium processing. Bauxite is the typical Al ore extracted in the real world. It isn't a metal that can simply be cooked out of the rock, it has to be electrolysed.

The way I look at it in my head is that the processed Gregtech ingots are indeed pure aluminium, whilst the Xycraft stuff is more like raw metallic chunks containing large levels of impurities. If the modmakers in question are communicating I was going to suggest that the Xycraft stuff could have an expensive refining process added into gregtech that converts the raw Al into refined ingots. To keep ratios balanced, perhaps each handful of raw chunks grinds, centrifuges or electrolyses into a collection of impurities and a tiny pile of pure Al dust.

 

[Lambert2191]

Your questions asks whether aluminIum is balanced, then goes on to talk about gregtech... of course it isn't balanced, gregtech isn't balanced.

 

[Akshay Bilolikar]

Does anybody know why ferrous ore gives you Nickel? Surely it should give you iron? Fe is latin for ferrous is latin for iron.

 

[Honza8D]

Your questions asks whether aluminIum is balanced, then goes on to talk about gregtech... of course it isn't balanced, gregtech isn't balanced.

stop flamebaiting...

 

[Poppycocks]

You get a lot of dust from bauxite. One stack of bauxite translates into 4 stacks of dust, which means 2,7 stacks of alluminium after electrolyzation. And an extra stack if you're using the industrial grinder.

I'm usually swiming in the stuff once I hit that spot in the tech tree. Mostly because I'm usually processing everything for the titanium .

 

[The Heresiarch]

Does anybody know why ferrous ore gives you Nickel? Surely it should give you iron? Fe is latin for ferrous is latin for iron.

On the thread on the minecraft forums KingLemming stated that it was because it would seem like iron to an inexperienced explorer.

 

[Alexandria]

Please keep the thread civil, any flaming, trolling, etc will be dealt with accordingly.

 

[MilConDoin]

Xycraft is Aluminum, Gregtech is [...] Aluminium.

Please everyone remember this. This will make discussions easier, so the reader directly knows, which type of AL you're talking about.

 

[Bluehorazon]

On the thread on the minecraft forums KingLemming stated that it was because it would seem like iron to an inexperienced explorer.

Jepp, the Ferrous Ores are more like a group. Before a lot of the chemistry behind it was revealed it was hard for people to distinguish Iron, Nickel and Cobalt, so ferrous is not meant as iron, but more like similar to iron.

 

[Dragonfel]

I wish I had more things to do with my gregtech aluminum. Currently I have nearly 20 stacks of it in a barrel... It's a nuisance to me now as I end up with stacks of dust from my endeavors to get titanium. It should be able to make machine blocks instead of refined iron or something useful.

 

[Honza8D]

I wish I had more things to do with my gregtech aluminum. Currently I have nearly 20 stacks of it in a barrel... It's a nuisance to me now as I end up with stacks of dust from my endeavors to get titanium. It should be able to make machine blocks instead of refined iron or something useful.

you sort of can, you can make aluminium machine casing from aluminuim and machine parts, and it can replace machine block in some recipes (some still require IC machine block though)

 

[Bluehorazon]

I think you can build the machine parts with aluminium too. It is a rather abundant ressource, but some of the uses it has a very nice. I normally use it as a replacement for refined iron in the recipies were it is possible and of course as a nice source of mixed metal ingots. But if you are mining in a biome that has bauxite you normally end up with more aluminium than you can use (but honestly the same is true for lead and silver).

 

[Dragonfel]

I think you can build the machine parts with aluminium too. It is a rather abundant ressource, but some of the uses it has a very nice. I normally use it as a replacement for refined iron in the recipies were it is possible and of course as a nice source of mixed metal ingots. But if you are mining in a biome that has bauxite you normally end up with more aluminium than you can use (but honestly the same is true for lead and silver).

Yeah honestly I've got so much aluminum and lead... The only thing I've been having trouble keeping in stock is gold and rubies. GT requires a lot of chrome for stuff so I end up macerating all my rubies.

 

[EternalDensity]

What I found annoying is that aluminum cans can only be used for water and lava. I wanted to use my liquid transposer to put oil in aluminium cans but nope that only works with tin cans. (Speaking of which, all my tin cans seem to have vanished from my transposer-enderchest-transposer oil transport system. They must have escaped from the BC pipes and despawned at some point.)

Anyhow, since I don't have GT, aluminum is currently useless for me, and will be until I want lava or water cans.