AE and Bees

[Recon]

I watched DW20 do his AE bee automation setup. Its great how it is designed to do that sort of thing.

However, I noticed when I set up mine, I ended up getting some cross breeding going on from the automation, unintentionally. What I did was set up six apiaries in a row, and an import bus under each one. To the side of each one is a fuzzy export bus. For one, I configured it to put in a forest princess and a forest drone. For another, a meadows princess and a meadows drone. However, I think being fuzzy, somehow it allowed a forest and meadows bee to breed and I ended up getting common bees without wanting to. What I wanted was to keep cycling in the exact bees to the apiary to produce a lot of the same exact drones. I usually keep a whole stack of drones of every species. This worked great with apiarist's pipes but am having trouble getting the AE network to behave with it. The fuzzy bus seems to be less discriminate as to what kind of bee to put back into the apiary.

So I tried the precision bus instead, and that wouldn't even let the resultant princess back into the apiary It should have though, since it should have been the exact same kind I had in before. I will keep tinkering with it but I thought I would ask here in case anyone has successfully built an AE bee system and could share how they did it.

 

[Jadedcat]

Precise buses look at every gene, if even one is off it won't move the bee. Fuzzy buses look at only the species which means if you are say trying to put only forest bees in and apiary and you have a Forest/common hybrid it can get pulled in because the bee has the Forest species tag. Apiarist pipes have much better control of which bees go where. And if you are using Unleashed or DW20 1.1.4 the advanced apiarist pipe allows even more control.

 

[Recon]

Hmm then I am very curious how I ended up getting common, and even a cultivated after letting a bunch of apiaries run with fuzzies for a few hours. I told each fuzzy bus to only let in the specific species of princess and drone, so they should have remained pure, even if their genes were slightly different.

I started off with just natural bees harvested in the world, so from what I understand none of these should have been hybrids at all, right? So the species tags should not have gotten mixed up at all, from what you're saying, even with the fuzzy bus.

Anyway, its good to have confirmed how it works. I was hoping the fuzzy bus worked somewhat like that, although I'm surprised the precision bus did not let the resultant princess back into the apiary, since she should have been EXACTLY the same as the original. Sometimes I check the beealyzer to see if 2 princesses have the same exact genes and they do, but AE still doesn't stack them. Other times they do stack. Is there a gene that isn't showing up in the bealyzer maybe? And are naturally harvested bees of the same species varying in these genes?

 

[angelnc]

For your purpose you could use Apiarists Pipes as Jaded suggested or Logistics Pipes. A Chassis Pipe with an Apiary Refiller Module will always put the drone and princess back in the apiary, while putting excess drones and combs in your logistics system.
Another more complicated way would be to use a turtle script.

 

[Recon]

I may explore the logi pipes option. Would have to learn the system. As for apiarist's pipes, I have yet to find a jungle biome, so I can't seem to find any tropical bees! Using Biomes O Plenty, and have explored a lot of the world and searched everywhere but no tropical hives. I was hoping to find them in the Tropical Rainforest biome nearby but only Forest bees are found in those trees for some reason.

Maybe I just haven't searched enough of the world? Does anyone know if tropical bees are in any of the BOP biomes? Sure could use them for silk and propolis.

 

[Jadedcat]

Hmm then I am very curious how I ended up getting common, and even a cultivated after letting a bunch of apiaries run with fuzzies for a few hours. I told each fuzzy bus to only let in the specific species of princess and drone, so they should have remained pure, even if their genes were slightly different.

I started off with just natural bees harvested in the world, so from what I understand none of these should have been hybrids at all, right? So the species tags should not have gotten mixed up at all, from what you're saying, even with the fuzzy bus.

Anyway, its good to have confirmed how it works. I was hoping the fuzzy bus worked somewhat like that, although I'm surprised the precision bus did not let the resultant princess back into the apiary, since she should have been EXACTLY the same as the original. Sometimes I check the beealyzer to see if 2 princesses have the same exact genes and they do, but AE still doesn't stack them. Other times they do stack. Is there a gene that isn't showing up in the bealyzer maybe? And are naturally harvested bees of the same species varying in these genes?

Yeah sometimes AE derps. So does logistics pipes. THe only system I have never had derp is the Apiarist pipe and the Advanced Apiarist pipe. I use AE to supply frame to my alvearies but for bees for apiaries or alvearies I prefer apiarist pipes.[DOUBLEPOST=1377935047][/DOUBLEPOST]And you don't need jungle bees for apiarist pipes, you're much better off breeding industrious bees. their combs give 100% chance of propolis. Jungle bee combs give silky propolis which gives you woven silk and a very low chance of getting propolis.

 

[angelnc]

Yeah sometimes AE derps. So does logistics pipes. THe only system I have never had derp is the Apiarist pipe and the Advanced Apiarist pipe. I use AE to supply frame to my alvearies but for bees for apiaries or alvearies I prefer apiarist pipes.[DOUBLEPOST=1377935047][/DOUBLEPOST]And you don't need jungle bees for apiarist pipes, you're much better off breeding industrious bees. their combs give 100% chance of propolis. Jungle bee combs give silky propolis which gives you woven silk and a very low chance of getting propolis.

I haven't tried Apiarists Pipes in 1.5.2 yet, but in 1.4.7 they always lost some princesses over time. I don't know how, but after some hours my alvearys were empty. With logistics pipes I haven't had any problems. They refill 30 Apiarys in my single player world. No loss of bees, no cross breeding.

Personally I would love to see an Apiarists ME Bus.

 

[b0bst3r]

AE is only good for bees if you have 1 apiary per 1 bee breed type, stick with BC pipes it's way easier.

If you have say 5 apiaries with 5 rocky DNAd Imperials the drones all end up in 1 apiary (unless u stack the apiaries with 64 drones first) in the same way if you have 2 identical machines with 2 export buses on them only 1 gets filled. Was a bad idea DW20 showing people the AE/Bee breed thing without exploring it more, now people think it's more than what he showed.

 

[Recon]

hm I think the reason its not letting the new princess back in with the precision bus (even though all the genes are the same) is because the count # of generations is different. sigh.